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What is a "leftist"? A fascist? A cultural Marxist?

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SIGNYM

Sunday, September 2, 2018 12:13 PM

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But at some point the elite would have to look at the situation and ask themselves ... Why are we coddling/controlling this very large group of people that we don't need at all?- SIGNY

In 1938 the common man’s condition in the Soviet Union, Germany, or the United States may have been grim, but he was constantly told that he was the most important thing in the world, and that he was the future (provided, of course, that he was an “ordinary man,” rather than, say, a Jew or a woman). He looked at the propaganda posters—which typically depicted coal miners and steelworkers in heroic poses—and saw himself there: “I am in that poster! I am the hero of the future!”

But as technology makes billions of people economically irrelevant, their political power is likely to shrink. For all the success that democracies have had over the past century or more, they are blips in history. Monarchies, oligarchies, and other forms of authoritarian rule have been far more common modes of human governance. - SECOND

But thinking about the practical aspects of this .... the elite are not about the let "the masses" starve to death, nor are they about to start frog-marching people by the millions into "work camps" because that is the SURE way to revolution. That would precipitate the very thing that they're trying to avoid.

Bummer!

So the elite would either have to engineer a quick death for a lot of people ... a pandemic, for example, that kills billions ... or a sudden decrease in fertility. Or cause "the masses" to kill each other by engineering an international war or a bunch of civil wars in which billions are killed.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, September 2, 2018 3:50 PM

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I know! That thing some people have with something they learned 40 years ago from someone who said it 100 years before that and they think it's relevant today. I want to tell them: "Get off the stage! We have a lot of great, young minds that have fresher, better ideas right now."
YEP, those documents written in 1776 ... SO PASSE!

God, you're such a turd.

Gawd you're so outdated. Get off the stage already - your time has passed.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, September 2, 2018 5:57 PM

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Yeah sig, a document created by Americans. A living document. One subject to change if deemed necessary by two thirds of the country. And to G's point, has had several amendments. 27 to be exact.

Trust me when I say the French were not involved in any of those changes. Nor were the Russians.

100% on the money, T. I wouldn't wish for McCain to be dead but I'm so glad he's no longer in congress. I see it in both partys: Pelosi, Schumer, Hatch, McConnell, old thinkers from both sides that are still fighting old fights in old ways.
How can we expect change if we are stuck in the past?

THG

Monday, September 3, 2018 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

Yeah sig, a document created by Americans. A living document. One subject to change if deemed necessary by two thirds of the country. And to G's point, has had several amendments. 27 to be exact.

Trust me when I say the French were not involved in any of those changes. Nor were the Russians.

100% on the money, T. I wouldn't wish for McCain to be dead but I'm so glad he's no longer in congress. I see it in both partys: Pelosi, Schumer, Hatch, McConnell, old thinkers from both sides that are still fighting old fights in old ways.
How can we expect change if we are stuck in the past?

Sig and kiki are just upset they can't point to a Frenchman's signature on the constitution. They were all Americans so they are trying to expand the conversation to save face.

I don't disagree with the need for new blood G but understanding the history of this country is necessary to moving it forward. Benjamin Franklin said "we gave you a republic. Lets see if you can keep it." Some are only caught up in their own wants and not what would be best to maintain this republic.

T

SIGNYM

Monday, September 3, 2018 12:24 AM

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How can we expect change if we are stuck in the past?- GSTRING

Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them. - George Santayana

I have never seen two more obdurately ignorant people than you two! You refuse to read about history, or even refer to a dictionary once in a while. Instead, you close your eyes and plug your ears whining Nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you any time anyone puts information in front of you that just doesn't fit in that tiny echo-chamber of yours.

No wonder you run around in circles lying and babbling bullshit!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SIGNYM

Monday, September 3, 2018 1:22 PM

I agree with parts and disagree with parts, but here is ONE description of liberals

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain forever a child," Cicero astutely observed. For many self-described progressives today, however, this seems not to be a drawback. On the contrary, like adolescents -- insisting that they are grown-ups when their parents get in the way of their fun, but then running home for all their basic needs and creature comforts -- such people seem to give no thought to the past and equally little to the future.

Many people like this are said to suffer from a "Peter Pan Syndrome": the inability or unwillingness to grow up. In thought, they seem to lean to the political left. They want the government to take on the role of parent, even if that involves maxing out the country's "credit cards," so that even for a short time, they can live beyond what they earn.

Possibly in a hurry not to concern themselves with "dreary details," they pressed for a huge health-care bill, passed in 2010, that forever changed how we receive - or do not receive - medical care. It seems the details of the bill were too time-consuming and complex for the world of tweets and sound bites for them to pay attention to what it actually contained. When the bill was being debated, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi famously said, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

Many of these children in adult bodies were told, and actually believed, that better health care for everyone, including an unlimited number of illegal immigrants, would be attainable at a low cost, if only the government were to run it. That Medicare and Medicaid, both of which the U.S. government currently runs -- as well as the UK's National Health Service -- are going broke does not appear to have occurred to them. So they persist in their fantasy that government-controlled health care is not an ill but a cure.

If the government ran healthcare as a service instead of as an excuse to hemorrhage money into the private sector, it probably WOULD be run better.

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Their fantasy is not restricted to the realm of health care. Many of these children in adult bodies believe that many, if not all, major aspects of the economy would be more efficient if the government ran them. This is in spite of the fact that the facilities currently run by the government -- from the Department of Veterans Affairs to the Department of Motor Vehicles -- are inefficient, unhelpful or sometimes even downright hostile -- to the people they are meant to serve.

The biggest problem with government institutions is the extreme difficulty in getting anyone - including contractors - fired. If they could fix that problem, I think it would work a lot better.

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Many children in adult bodies also seem not to know that Socialism failed in the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, China, North Korea, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba, and is now failing in Venezuela. Yet, illogically, they appear to believe that they themselves could make it work. The irrational wish is evidently stronger than rational arithmetic.

Compare "socialist" China's progress to India's, I think a good case can be made for socialism.

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These victims of arrested emotional development seem to confuse good motives with good results.

I agree there. When they look at the clusterfucks in the Mideast (assuming that they actually bother to check out recent history the excuse seems to be We meant well

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They want better health care for a greater number of people at a lesser cost; so they fantasize that they can achieve it without denying care to those who are too old, too sick or too expensive to receive it. They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth"; so they fantasize that they can maneuver it wit

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, September 3, 2018 5:04 PM

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How can we expect change if we are stuck in the past?- GSTRING
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them. - George Santayana

I have never seen two more obdurately ignorant people than you two! You refuse to read about history, or even refer to a dictionary once in a while. Instead, you close your eyes and plug your ears whining Nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you any time anyone puts information in front of you that just doesn't fit in that tiny echo-chamber of yours.

No wonder you run around in circles lying and babbling bullshit!

I think like almost everyone else in the world, I've heard that phrase about a billion times by now. It kind of loses it's value when you realize that it has no value other than to sound clever. You think it's ever changed the minds of tyrants or evil people? Naw, just something pithy for people like you to trot out like you have some special knowledge. You continue to prove your knowledge is wide but superficial at best. You're more like a Xerox machine just making copies. Concepts? Understanding? Xerox doesn't do concepts!

SIGGY's lies in this post:
"You refuse to read about history, or even refer to a dictionary once in a while."

Siggy has probably said: "I like lying better than chocolate!" or "Lying is my jam!"

Have you heard this lil' chestnut: "A corrupt mind corrupts all knowledge?" You should commit it to memory.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 3, 2018 6:00 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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How can we expect change if we are stuck in the past?- GSTRING
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them. - George Santayana

I have never seen two more obdurately ignorant people than you two! You refuse to read about history, or even refer to a dictionary once in a while. Instead, you close your eyes and plug your ears whining Nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you any time anyone puts information in front of you that just doesn't fit in that tiny echo-chamber of yours.

No wonder you run around in circles lying and babbling bullshit!

I think like almost everyone else in the world, I've heard that phrase about a billion times by now. It kind of loses it's value when you realize that it has no value other than to sound clever. You think it's ever changed the minds of tyrants or evil people? Naw, just something pithy for people like you to trot out like you have some special knowledge. You continue to prove your knowledge is wide but superficial at best. You're more like a Xerox machine just making copies. Concepts? Understanding? Xerox doesn't do concepts!

SIGGY's lies in this post:
"You refuse to read about history, or even refer to a dictionary once in a while."

Siggy has probably said: "I like lying better than chocolate!" or "Lying is my jam!"

Have you heard this lil' chestnut: "A corrupt mind corrupts all knowledge?" You should commit it to memory.

You should probably try committing anything that didn't happen in the last 2 years to memory yourself. I can't speak for what you do elsewhere, but there is zero evidence on these boards that this is something you are capable of.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, September 3, 2018 10:20 PM

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I think like almost everyone else in the world, I've heard that phrase about a billion times by now. It kind of loses it's value when you realize that it has no value other than to sound clever.- GSTRING

OK, GSTRING, here's another little gem you should think about: When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger.

WHAT, DO YOU SUPPOSE, IS THE BASIS OF SCIENCE? To forget the cellular theory of biology, the "laws" of gravity and electromagnetism, the theory of atoms and molecules and the process of natural selection? To re-invent the same wheels over and over, and to make the same mistakes over and over, because "old knowledge" is so "passe"?

How do you suppose it's any different with the social sciences? When someone from 170 years ago manages to describe and predict in great detail what is happening today ... even the commodification of what we NOW call "intellectual property" (as if that was a new thing and a new idea) ... well, if they can predict what you can't, then maybe they know something that you don't, and maybe you should pay attention.

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You think it's ever changed the minds of tyrants or evil people? Naw, just something pithy for people like you to trot out like you have some special knowledge.

Dood, you must be braindead. Do you think that this was posted to change to minds of TYRANTS? No, it is aimed especially at people like you: people who are too arrogant to think that they have anything else to learn, and who are too stupid to understand their REAL place in the world.

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You continue to prove your knowledge is wide but superficial at best. You're more like a Xerox machine just making copies. Concepts? Understanding? Xerox doesn't do concepts!

I think SECOND takes that prize. SECOND just splatters the board with every possible GOP/Trump criticism even if it contradicts other criticisms that he posted. He doesn't really know anything about, or care anything about the actual issues in the Xerox copies with which he so liberally spams the board.

As for "shallow knowledge", you bring no information to the board, you post no opinions. You actively reject learning anything, you lie like a rug, and you're incapable of having even a two-sentence discussion. All you've managed to do is troll. So, what does that make you?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Monday, September 3, 2018 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You should probably try committing anything that didn't happen in the last 2 years to memory yourself. I can't speak for what you do elsewhere, but there is zero evidence on these boards that this is something you are capable of.

OK, lets all do this. Done, that was easy. This reminds me of Jane. Let's see, nothin from nothin equals nothin.

Leave it to Jack to tee that one up for us G.

T