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BRENDA

Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:30 PM

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Jack, no it is not the same thing. You speak English and other European languages are maintained by families here and in the US.

We've had to RELEARN our languages and cultures.

Even going to school, WHITES haven't lost anything.

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Sure they have.

I'd say that in some ways white people have lost even more than the natives have. You at least have a proud heritage that you've managed for several hundred years to hold onto.

The fact that you think of me as only "white" is an illustration of that. The fact that I think of me as only "white" is an even greater illustration of that.

I have no culture. I have no roots. I have no heritage. I'm a european mutt. My niece is so further even more "mixed" that she represents just about every European country.

I'm just another brick in the wall. Another cog in the machine.

I've been programmed since my first day of school to be exactly the same as everybody else.

Nobody has a monopoly on that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Okay on some of this we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As for the "white" thing that was my way of illustrating a obviously mixed up point. I generally think of you as an American and white second.

An America is not a race but a country.

Native Americans and Canadians fought to not have our cultures and ways of life destroyed. It didn't work though and we still struggle with the legacy from the residential schools, reservations and such.

I have known many "European Mutts" as you refer to yourself and some who have been here many years and are what I consider "Pure blood".

What I truly meant was that when you went to school English was your language and it wasn't forced on you. You always had your identity even if you consider yourself a "mutt".

Our languages, our rituals and the way we lived made us who we were. And in the last 50years we have been trying to reclaim that.

The "We" I use is a general one as I have known a few "Pure blood" Native Canadians over the years.

For my family all we have is the knowing. I would have to go to US and do a lot of digging to find names and dates that have become lost to time. I don't know my Shoshoni great grandmother's name. My white great grandfather's name I do. I know that I and my brother and cousins and my father and his siblings are descendants of a chief of that Nation. I know that Sacajewa is a distant aunt of mine.

There are differences Jack. And maybe the one difference is that I was raised knowing the major differences between Europeans and other immigrants to Canada and the US.

That is what makes what Ottawa is proposing so important.

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Something I just realized.
Native Americans, or First Peoples, can have the knowledge that their people, their ancestors, their roots, have roamed or resided across this land since before history.
What I just realized is that non-Natives cannot really say this in the same way.
Sure, I know that some of my Ancestors Founded Jamestown in 1604, but they ventured from towns and counties in Yurp. I had not thought of this non-historical roots as a lack, but more of a facet of the pioneering spirit that most Pilgrims, Colonists, Explorers must have shared, and these aspects of society which have driven to today's descendants, and formed the Nation and the Global presence. I've always known which countries in Yurp my ancestors originated from, except for the part from Canada - since I started and fleshed out my Family Tree, which I think was just under 80 pages, single spaced, by the time I Graduated HS.

I feel that this gives the Natives an advantage over me/us - which I've never considered before.

Brenda, I would suggest you look at Family Trees

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, August 22, 2018 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Jack, no it is not the same thing. You speak English and other European languages are maintained by families here and in the US.

We've had to RELEARN our languages and cultures.

Even going to school, WHITES haven't lost anything.

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Sure they have.

I'd say that in some ways white people have lost even more than the natives have. You at least have a proud heritage that you've managed for several hundred years to hold onto.

The fact that you think of me as only "white" is an illustration of that. The fact that I think of me as only "white" is an even greater illustration of that.

I have no culture. I have no roots. I have no heritage. I'm a european mutt. My niece is so further even more "mixed" that she represents just about every European country.

I'm just another brick in the wall. Another cog in the machine.

I've been programmed since my first day of school to be exactly the same as everybody else.

Nobody has a monopoly on that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Okay on some of this we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As for the "white" thing that was my way of illustrating a obviously mixed up point. I generally think of you as an American and white second.

An America is not a race but a country.

Native Americans and Canadians fought to not have our cultures and ways of life destroyed. It didn't work though and we still struggle with the legacy from the residential schools, reservations and such.

I have known many "European Mutts" as you refer to yourself and some who have been here many years and are what I consider "Pure blood".

What I truly meant was that when you went to school English was your language and it wasn't forced on you. You always had your identity even if you consider yourself a "mutt".

Our languages, our rituals and the way we lived made us who we were. And in the last 50years we have been trying to reclaim that.

The "We" I use is a general one as I have known a few "Pure blood" Native Canadians over the years.

For my family all we have is the knowing. I would have to go to US and do a lot of digging to find names and dates that have become lost to time. I don't know my Shoshoni great grandmother's name. My white great grandfather's name I do. I know that I and my brother and cousins and my father and his siblings are descendants of a chief of that Nation. I know that Sacajewa is a distant aunt of mine.

There are differences Jack. And maybe the one difference is that I was raised knowing the major differences between Europeans and other immigrants to Canada and the US.

That is what makes what Ottawa is proposing so important.

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Something I just realized.
Native Americans, or First Peoples, can have the knowledge that their people, their ancestors, their roots, have roamed or resided across this land since before history.
What I just realized is that non-Natives cannot really say this in the same way.
Sure, I know that some of my Ancestors Founded Jamestown in 1604, but they ventured from towns and counties in Yurp. I had not thought of this non-historical roots as a lack, but more of a facet of the pioneering spirit that most Pilgrims, Colonists, Explorers must have shared, and these aspects of society which have driven to today's descendants, and formed the Nation and the Global presence. I've always known which countries in Yurp my ancestors originated from, except for the part from Canada - since I started and fleshed out my Family Tree, which I think was just under 80 pages, single spaced, by the time I Graduated HS.

I feel that this gives the Natives an advantage over me/us - which I've never considered before.

Brenda, I

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BRENDA

Wednesday, August 22, 2018 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Jack, no it is not the same thing. You speak English and other European languages are maintained by families here and in the US.

We've had to RELEARN our languages and cultures.

Even going to school, WHITES haven't lost anything.

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Sure they have.

I'd say that in some ways white people have lost even more than the natives have. You at least have a proud heritage that you've managed for several hundred years to hold onto.

The fact that you think of me as only "white" is an illustration of that. The fact that I think of me as only "white" is an even greater illustration of that.

I have no culture. I have no roots. I have no heritage. I'm a european mutt. My niece is so further even more "mixed" that she represents just about every European country.

I'm just another brick in the wall. Another cog in the machine.

I've been programmed since my first day of school to be exactly the same as everybody else.

Nobody has a monopoly on that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Okay on some of this we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As for the "white" thing that was my way of illustrating a obviously mixed up point. I generally think of you as an American and white second.

An America is not a race but a country.

Native Americans and Canadians fought to not have our cultures and ways of life destroyed. It didn't work though and we still struggle with the legacy from the residential schools, reservations and such.

I have known many "European Mutts" as you refer to yourself and some who have been here many years and are what I consider "Pure blood".

What I truly meant was that when you went to school English was your language and it wasn't forced on you. You always had your identity even if you consider yourself a "mutt".

Our languages, our rituals and the way we lived made us who we were. And in the last 50years we have been trying to reclaim that.

The "We" I use is a general one as I have known a few "Pure blood" Native Canadians over the years.

For my family all we have is the knowing. I would have to go to US and do a lot of digging to find names and dates that have become lost to time. I don't know my Shoshoni great grandmother's name. My white great grandfather's name I do. I know that I and my brother and cousins and my father and his siblings are descendants of a chief of that Nation. I know that Sacajewa is a distant aunt of mine.

There are differences Jack. And maybe the one difference is that I was raised knowing the major differences between Europeans and other immigrants to Canada and the US.

That is what makes what Ottawa is proposing so important.

---

Something I just realized.
Native Americans, or First Peoples, can have the knowledge that their people, their ancestors, their roots, have roamed or resided across this land since before history.
What I just realized is that non-Natives cannot really say this in the same way.
Sure, I know that some of my Ancestors Founded Jamestown in 1604, but they ventured from towns and counties in Yurp. I had not thought of this non-historical roots as a lack, but more of a facet of the pioneering spirit that most Pilgrims, Colonists, Explorers must have shared, and these aspects of society which have driven to today's descendants, and formed the Nation and the Global presence. I've always known which countries in Yurp my ancestors originated from, except for the part from Canada - since I started and fleshed out my Family Tree, which I think was just under 80 pages, single spaced, by the time I Graduated HS.

I feel that this gives the Natives an advantage over me/us - whic

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Okay on some of this we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As for the "white" thing that was my way of illustrating a obviously mixed up point. I generally think of you as an American and white second.

An America is not a race but a country.

Native Americans and Canadians fought to not have our cultures and ways of life destroyed. It didn't work though and we still struggle with the legacy from the residential schools, reservations and such.

I have known many "European Mutts" as you refer to yourself and some who have been here many years and are what I consider "Pure blood".

What I truly meant was that when you went to school English was your language and it wasn't forced on you. You always had your identity even if you consider yourself a "mutt".

Our languages, our rituals and the way we lived made us who we were. And in the last 50years we have been trying to reclaim that.

The "We" I use is a general one as I have known a few "Pure blood" Native Canadians over the years.

For my family all we have is the knowing. I would have to go to US and do a lot of digging to find names and dates that have become lost to time. I don't know my Shoshoni great grandmother's name. My white great grandfather's name I do. I know that I and my brother and cousins and my father and his siblings are descendants of a chief of that Nation. I know that Sacajewa is a distant aunt of mine.

There are differences Jack. And maybe the one difference is that I was raised knowing the major differences between Europeans and other immigrants to Canada and the US.

That is what makes what Ottawa is proposing so important.

---

Something I just realized.
Native Americans, or First Peoples, can have the knowledge that their people, their ancestors, their roots, have roamed or resided across this land since before history.
What I just realized is that non-Natives cannot really say this in the same way.
Sure, I know that some of my Ancestors Founded Jamestown in 1604, but they ventured from towns and counties in Yurp. I had not thought of this non-historical roots as a lack, but more of a facet of the pioneering spirit that most Pilgrims, Colonists, Explorers must have shared, and these aspects of society which have driven to today's descendants, and formed the Nation and the Global presence. I've always known which countries in Yurp my ancestors originated from, except for the part from Canada - since I started and fleshed out my Family Tree, which I think was just under 80 pages, single spaced, by the time I Graduated HS.

I feel that this gives the Natives an advantage over me/us - which I've never considered before.

Brenda, I would suggest you look at Family Trees and ancestry online. There is an amazing amount of info available, even a couple decades ago. I might fear that the lack of interaction with the Tribes/Nation's could hinder some progress, but I would be hopeful that a Sacajewea Tree would help flesh out that part of your Tree. A lot of famous people's Trees have already been done.

Brenda, you have said that you posted that you thought this was a good idea, and then I asked you about it. But that is inaccurate.
My Original Post which Originated this thread openly asked you about it. I was requesting information about a topic which I wanted to know about, and from your perspective instead of the MSM version.

I am glad that you shared information with Jack which I had asked about but you didn't wish to share with me.

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Thank you for that information JSF. I should take a look at that.

It isn't that I didn't want to share that information with you. I just felt that I was getting pelted with a lot of questions and was having a hard time puttin

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