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Anno Domini (“in the year of our Lord”). IMO, 0 AD, which will then be incremented by months, is when Christ was born if you are religious & believe he existed. Before that, we call it BC = Before Christ. That's how influential Christianity is in Western culture. ... As well it should be: Heretics or even those only suspected to be were executed until recently.
JSF: "No such thing as Year Zero.
"Jesus died around age 39 or 40, IIRC. So was born around 7 or 6 BC.
"So were the Roman Decrees to arrest, kill the make-believe Jesus also make-believe?
Were the Romans make-believe? Were the Jews make-believe? Is all history make-believe?
"What is your theory on why all the texts of the major religions (Bible, Koran, Torah, Veda, Tripitaka's, etc) have similar stories? Like the same 40 days and 40 nights of deluge, for
example?
Did every opposing Religion conjure the stories together, in collusion?"
Christianity was/is in our culture.
Can you find "the Roman Decrees to arrest, kill" Jesus in any history book?
My world history teacher, H.S., said we/she could not.
The great flood exists in religious texts, legend & history. I accept the flood.
I gather there are many accurate, historical references in the Bible.
I do believe in God, btw. Not that I could possibly describe Him/Her or It.
Eventho I questioned God's existence when I was in my teens, & seriously held
myself an agnostic for over a decade or two ... over the years, it's become clear
to me that I do believe in God, but uncomprehendingly, in an ignorant way:
My intelligence compared to God's: I'm an earthworm or less.
Maybe the main reason is, I cannot believe in anything so silly as the Big Bang.
That the Universe created itself out of Nothing. Doesn't compute.
The question may be, What came 1st? God or the Universe?
Science: the Universe came 1st; we are part of its brood; we invented God.
Religion: God always was.
Attempt to comprehend: Because I exist in Time, I think/feel that everything
else does, also. But if the Universe we know is a construct, perhaps time
only exists within the construct that we perceive.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I'll be glad for this year to be over and I am hopeful that the next will be a little bit better.
Oh BRENDA, it sounds like it was a bad year for you! I hope with all my heart that next year will be everything that you want- healthy, prosperous, happy, and more.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Merry Christmas, Sig.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, now that I'm retired, I did something that we haven't done in YEARS ... put up a tree.
It used to be our family tradition (even if we were isolated on the West Coast) but the trees just kept getting larger and larger until one year ... many years ago .... we bought the tree that broke us. It didn't LOOK that big in the lot; it was beautiful and majestic and full. But when we got back home, we had a helluva time hoisting it off the car and into the house ... musta weighed 200 lbs and full of sap ... then we had to cut 2' off the leader ... then we tried putting it into one of those dinky tree stands and it -literally- splayed the legs up. So hubby had to construct a 3' x 3' plywood stand with guy wires to eyebolts in the corners .... spent forever righting the tree, and that was all BEFORE we decorated it.
So, never again! I would put up decorations, but NO TREE!
Anyway, with more time this year, I bought a 4" tree. A little jolly tree that DD and I decorated. I found the lights that I had carefully stored away, and some treasured ornaments and a garland, and it's magic.
So MERRY CHRISTMAS! or whatever you celebrate this time of year! May your days become sources of treasured memories.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:I am not certain if Your Opinion can change history. On the Your Opinion Calendar, is there a Year Zero BC as well as a Year Zero AD? On the Calendar that our history uses, the day before January 1 of Year One AD was December 31 of Year One BC. In calendars which do not start on the same date, such as the Chinese Calendar, there is not a 3 year span from our Jan 1 of 1 BC to Jan 1 of 1 AD. It was only one year, the final year of BC, without either Year Zero BC or Year Zero AD.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Anno Domini (“in the year of our Lord”). IMO, 0 AD, which will then be incremented by months,
If any baby would have been born on Dec 31 of Year One BC, that child would have turned one on Dec 31 of Year One AD, and been age 1 for the year 2 AD. So the first 100 years could have been celebrated at the beginning of 101 AD. Do you not recall that the celebration of the New Millenium was celebrated at the beginning of 2001, after the completion of 2,000 years? On the Your Opinion Calendar the first 2,000 years would have been completed at the end of 1999 AD.
Quote:So you believe that the Roman Tacitus and the Jew Josephus were each, separately colluding and conspiring with the infant Christian religion when writing about Jesus in the Histories of their time, in their regions? Everybody was lying, all at once, independantly creating the same makebelieve person?
is when Christ was born if you are religious & believe he existed. Before that, we call it BC = Before Christ. That's how influential Christianity is in Western culture. ... As well it should be: Heretics or even those only suspected to be were executed until recently.
JSF: "No such thing as Year Zero.
"Jesus died around age 39 or 40, IIRC. So was born around 7 or 6 BC.
"So were the Roman Decrees to arrest, kill the make-believe Jesus also make-believe?
Were the Romans make-believe? Were the Jews make-believe? Is all history make-believe?
"What is your theory on why all the texts of the major religions (Bible, Koran, Torah, Veda, Tripitaka's, etc) have similar stories? Like the same 40 days and 40 nights of deluge, for
example?
Did every opposing Religion conjure the stories together, in collusion?"
Christianity was/is in our culture.
Can you find "the Roman Decrees to arrest, kill" Jesus in any history book?
And the writers of Talmud also conjured the same make-believe Jesus and his Execution under the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate? Why would they?
Quote:Have you watched Ben Stein's film "Expelled" yet? I think you would find it very interesting.
My world history teacher, H.S., said we/she could not.
The great flood exists in religious texts, legend & history. I accept the flood.
I gather there are many accurate, historical references in the Bible.
I do believe in God, btw. Not that I could possibly describe Him/Her or It.
Eventho I questioned God's existence when I was in my teens, & seriously held
myself an agnostic for over a decade or two ... over the years, it's become clear
to me that I do believe in God, but uncomprehendingly, in an ignorant way:
My intelligence compared to God's: I'm an earthworm or less.
Maybe the main reason is, I cannot believe in anything so silly as the Big Bang.
That the Universe created itself out of Nothing. Doesn't compute.
The question may be, What came 1st? God or the Universe?
Science: the Universe came 1st; we are part of its brood; we invented God.
Religion: God always was.
Attempt to comprehend: Because I exist in Time, I think/feel that everything
else does, also. But if the Universe we know is a construct, perhaps time
only exists within the construct that we perceive.
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No, I haven't seen it.
OK. So you cannot talk about religion in a science class.
The 2 two don't mix.
Religion is based on religious texts & those who study & teach about them.
Science is based on study & analysis of the physical world.
Yet a scientist might also be a religious person, even a member of a congregation.
Seems to me that Einstein believed in God.
Physicists, chemists, & botanists could say, "Look how perfect this science is! Only
God could have made it; a billion years of different atoms bumping against each
other could not have done it!
A person can believe in God but not religion. Haven't asked for a show of hands,
but that belief may be common.
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Pew Research Center
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/an-overview-of-religion-and-science
-in-the-united-states/
Religion and Science in the United States
The relationship between faith and science in the United States seems, at least on the surface, to be paradoxical. Surveys repeatedly show that most Americans respect science and the benefits it brings to society, such as new technologies and medical treatments. Nevertheless, strong religious convictions can affect some Americans’ willingness to accept certain scientific theories and discoveries, such as evolution, and new, life-changing technologies, such as genetic engineering.
Science and religion have often been viewed as adversaries. A number of famous battles between scientists and religious authorities have helped to fuel this perception. For instance, Italian scientist Galileo Galilei, who 400 years ago began the first systematic astronomical observations using a telescope, was tried and convicted of heresy by the Catholic Church for his defense of the Copernican model that put the sun, rather than the Earth, at the center of the universe. Roughly 250 years later, British naturalist Charles Darwin was criticized by Anglican Church authorities who rejected his theory that life evolved through natural selection, particularly when the theory was explicitly applied to human beings.
There have been and still are scientists who are hostile to religious belief. For instance, British biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, in his bestselling book The God Delusion, argues that many social ills – from bigotry to ignorance – can be blamed, at least in part, on religion. Other scientists, such as Nobel Prize-winning American physicist Steven Weinberg, contend that one of the purposes of science is to free people from what they call “religious superstition.”
In addition, scientists tend to be much less religious than the public overall ... etc.
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I just looked this up: Galileo
"He spent the rest of his life under house arrest."
At least, he wasn't executed.
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Quote:I have not talked, in this thread, with you, about religion.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
No, I haven't seen it.
OK. So you cannot talk about religion in a science class.
The 2 two don't mix.
Religion is based on religious texts & those who study & teach about them.
Science is based on study & analysis of the physical world.
Perhaps you were confused, because the topic of this thread is based in Religion.
I was talking about Math, a close relative of Science. And about History, outside of the texts of Christianity.
I pointed out the nonexistence of Year Zero, or any days between Year One BC and Year One AD. This is a fact of Math, and History. No Religion magically inserts 2 extra years into this sequence.
I discussed the existence of a person named Jesus, documented and recorded in Histories outside of the religion which followed him, or arose from him. I have not disputed that it is possible for a story to create a character out of whole cloth, but then why would separate, independent Histories document and record that such a make-believe person also existed in their world?
It can be a separate issue whether this Jesus was executed by Roman prefect Pontius Pilate, also recorded in Histories outside of the infant Religion of Christianity.
So there are 2 questions, external of Religion:
1. Is there a Year Zero? This is a Math fact, as well as History. Other than in Your Opinion Calendar, was there a Year Zero AD, and/or a Year Zero BC?
2. Did a person named Jesus exist in this world, or were the independent Histories written wrong? This is a question of recorded History.
Of course, "recorded History" is redundant, by definition. Just like "2 two" is most like redundant.
By the way, my recall was a little off on the presumed timeline of life of Jesus. Looks like April of 6AD was his likely birth. Which is 748 AUC or 3755 HC (Hebrew Calendar). And most likely Crucifixion was April of 30AD, which was 783 AUC or 3790 HC. A span of 35 years.
3755 HC, 748 AUC, 6BC
3760 HC, 753 AUC, 1BC
???? HC, ??? AUC, 0BC
???? HC, ??? AUC, 0AD
3761 HC, 754 AUC, 1AD
3790 HC, 783 AUC, 30AD
During the years mentioned, Romans did not officially identify years by number, but by ruling official. When the AD Calendar was created by a Roman in 525, Roman Numerals did not include Zero. The common use of the numeral Zero did not begin until 628 in India.
And, unless you are a Libtard, algore did not invent the number Zero. Neither did Billy Gates.
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Merry Christmas, all!
And a new year of hope, and brighter times.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Maybe the main reason is, I cannot believe in anything so silly as the Big Bang.
That the Universe created itself out of Nothing. Doesn't compute.
Technically speaking, "they" think that a build-up of anti-particles (positively charged electrons) caused it and then possibly got contained in dark matter. We've created anti-particles for a few seconds at CERN. We know they exist.
A lot of anti-particles reside at the center of our galaxy and are created primarily by the super massive black hole residing at the center of the Milky Way. "Antimatter" production is created in close proximity of the event horizon when in-falling mass is broken down violently.
That's the technical.
*I* think energy was the first "life form", aka "the force". IT developed its own rules and laws and attractions, much like a single celled organism became you and me. Maybe one single static reaction created a mathematical motion and a domino effect ensued. You have a build-up of static electricity HERE, and what happens? Fire, explosions, matter changes form. It's simple, and yet extremely violent.
Either way, it's pretty clear if there was a god it isn't involved in our day to day. Logic is as close to a religion that makes sense to me. Real, testable, provable, rules for daily life.
Everything else is just so much flotsam.
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Wishy, your explanation of the Big Bang makes it sound plausible. Indeed, since it
was smart guys like Einstein who came up with it, their vision is clearer than mine.
"Everything else is just so much flotsam."
I took physics in HS, got A's on my tests.
But truly, I never understood it.
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