Tax Cuts
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UPDATED: Thursday, April 17, 2025 01:12
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Quote:How does it help the rich disproportionately more?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It should be stated that I have said several times that I don't see anything that particularly helps the working class in the tax bill. Only that I don't see anything close to the horror stories the Left is saying either.
That being said, I DO see where it helps the rich disproportionately more than anybody else. I guess we'll just see what happens when that happens.
Ball is in your court, Second. You going to put your money where your mouth is when you reap the benefits? Cause there's not a damn thing I can do about it from down here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Please explain what you see.
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Quote:I already pointed out yesterday on this thread
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It should be stated that I have said several times that I don't see anything that particularly helps the working class in the tax bill. Only that I don't see anything close to the horror stories the Left is saying either.
That being said, I DO see where it helps the rich disproportionately more than anybody else. I guess we'll just see what happens when that happens.
Ball is in your court, Second. You going to put your money where your mouth is when you reap the benefits? Cause there's not a damn thing I can do about it from down here.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62089&mid=10435
20#1043520 that it has been American policy to make sure the bottom 50% DO NOT PROSPER. I may have given you the wrong impression that it is "American" policy when it really is Republican Party policy. Bill Clinton, from the red state of Arkansas, also bought in to the GOP's policy along with foolish Democratic Congressmen from other red states. I don't agree with the policy, but I'm not going to do more than vote for Democrats. I'm sure not going to refuse the free money the GOP wants to give me because, you know, I'm greedy.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Trump's last 20 days?
Originally posted by second:Quote:If Congress spends $1.5 trillion on tax cuts, it won't have that $1.5 trillion to spend on "infrastructure". Not spending on the repair of "infrastructure" will cost $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025, Trump's last year. Clear enough?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Lettuce sea about these Tax Cuts. I'll use Tax tables from 2016 because I don't have 2017 or 2018.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .
So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.
The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:
Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:
1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/
Family of 4 with 25,000 has 2,500 taxable income and Fed Tax of $251. Cutting this by $60 is a 23.9% Tax Cut.
With 733,000 income has Fed Tax of $237,528. Cutting this by 51,000 is less than 21.5% Tax Cut.
Not sure I understand your complaint, or implication of unfairness. Clarify?
Not very clear, other than you seem to be avoiding the point, deflecting and diverting from your defective argument.
You whining about Trump's 160 Billion shortfall per year compared to Bobo's 1 Trillion annual Deficit beyond the same shortfall seems petty.
American families getting a more than 20% Tax Cut, near 1/4 Tax Cut, will reduce their disposable income by $3,400?
Let's try the example $25,000 family again. The take-home must be about 22,500 without retirement, insurance, or health benefit contributions. Housing costs must be at least 3,600. Grocery costs must be at least 10,000. Transportation costs 3,000. Education, insurance, medical, dental, vision care must eat up most of the remaining $6,000. So about $1,000 of disposable income, if not $100 per year, gets an increase of $60 pure disposable income, and this equates to a loss of $3,400 of disposable income how?
When using your Libtard Maths please let us know, so we can ignore you.
Or the $733,000 example. Must be about $300,000 in take-home pay after taxes, without retirement, insurance, or health benefit contributions. Housing must be 100K - 150K. Transportation at least 10k. Retirement should be 75k. Insurance and health care likely 20K. With 10k in grocery it would leave about $50,000 in disposable income. So how is an increase of another $51,000 in purely disposable income supposed to equate to $3,400 LESS disposable income?
More Libtard Maths?
Plus, your Libtard Maths from the report are wrong. That report was from 2015, going out 10 years. It was reporting the failures caused by Obama's snowballing shor
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If you want to see how the GOP’s policies have screwed the lower 50% of Americans, while in stark contrast the EU has NOT screwed the lower 50% of Europeans, see Figure E3
“Top 1% vs. Bottom 50% national income shares in the US and Western Europe, 1980–2016:
Diverging income inequality trajectories” on page 8 of http://wir2018.wid.world/files/download/wir2018-summary-english.pdf
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We Can't Make It Here
James McMurtry
www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcmurtry-james/we-cant-make-it-here-20595.
html
There's a Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
The flag on his wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing and both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget's just stretched so thin
And now there's more coming back from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore
And that big ol' building was the textile mill
That fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
'Cause we can't make it here anymore
You see those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna sit there 'til they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here unless you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore
The bar's still open but man it's slow
The tip jar's light and the register's low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. C.E.O.
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one your stores
I bet you can't make it here anymore
And there's a high school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career and forget about school
Can she live on faith? Live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore
Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore
Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their shit don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in their damn little war
And we can't make it here anymore
Will I work for food, will I die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore
So that's how it is, that's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you're listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all why
In Dayton Ohio or Portland Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley and trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymore
We Can't Make It Here lyrics © Bug Music O/B/O Short Trip Music
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:That was copyright 2005.
Originally posted by second:
We Can't Make It Here
James McMurtry
www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcmurtry-james/we-cant-make-it-here-20595.
html
There's a Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
The flag on his wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing and both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget's just stretched so thin
And now there's more coming back from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore
And that big ol' building was the textile mill
That fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
'Cause we can't make it here anymore
You see those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna sit there 'til they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here unless you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore
The bar's still open but man it's slow
The tip jar's light and the register's low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. C.E.O.
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one your stores
I bet you can't make it here anymore
And there's a high school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career and forget about school
Can she live on faith? Live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore
Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore
Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their shit don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in their damn little war
And we can't make it here anymore
Will I work for food, will I die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore
So that's how it is, that's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you're listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all why
In Dayton Ohio or Portland Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley and trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymore
We Can't Make It Here lyrics © Bug Music O/B/O Short Trip Music
And then the children Democraps went and made it worse in November 2006, and even worse in November 2008.
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So thanks to Bill in ninety-nine,
Who shipped our jobs out down the line,
And all the Repubs who voted with him.
And Pappy Bush who started that train.
Saying "We won't make it here no more"
And thanks to Bill who cozied with China
In a special deal made for money.
And Baby Bush who saw it through,
And all his merry Repub crew,
Saying "We won't make it here no more"
And the guy with the Peace Prize: him we thank,
That he gave so much money to the banks,
And we watched the rich soar out of sight,
Leaving us here to struggle and fight,
Saying "We won't make it here no more"
The Dems and Repubs, they carry on the show.
Punch n Judy, dontcha know.
Those with the strings hide from sight,
Printing debt, day and night,
Saying "We won't make it here no more"
And the folks who sweat or live nowhere,
They stand by their party to which they swear
That THEIR Dear Leader would never desert them,
Use them for cannon fodder, plot to hurt them,
Saying "We won't make it here no more"
So Dems against Repubs, blacks against whites,
Men against women ... useless fights
We're all part of the pointless show,
Strings attached, we come to blows.
No, we won't make it here no more.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:
One of the Senators voting against the Tax Bill was Bernie, just in case you need that explained to you, AURaptor. I never can know how little you know.
@second - of COURSE he voted against it , you imbecile ! I know so much more than you can imagine... but that's not the issue here. It's the 'dumb-masses' , who likely WERE Bernie supporters ( one girl in particular ) who don't know what in the hell they're for.
2 different videos, 2 different groups, same conclusion. Meanwhile, you offer up a Lay Leno video ? Really ? As proof of what, exactly ? I doubt very much that Jay's put out 1000 such videos, or even talked to 1000 folks on these ' man on the street' interviews. Most of , if not all were likely staged. C'mon, it's Jay Leno. Everyone knew he was a comedian, back when he was doing this stuff... don't be that naive.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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