Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California

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JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:41 PM

diseased and crazy Commiefornia lowers penalty for exposing partners to HIV

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics
-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html

A state run by Hollyweird & regressive Leftism, where illegals are seen as the future, where criminals are seen as victims and victims of criminals are seen as bigots.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:41 PM

That's probably something that the Big Pharm lobbyists were paying big money to the California politicians to get pushed through.

HIV is't the death sentence that it used to be. It is another lifetime drug customer though, and you can get them really young with this one.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, October 9, 2017 9:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
diseased and crazy Commiefornia lowers penalty for exposing partners to HIV

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics
-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html

A state run by Hollyweird & regressive Leftism, where illegals are seen as the future, where criminals are seen as victims and victims of criminals are seen as bigots.

I'm a bit surprised somebody in CA woke up.
Do you even know what it means to expose somebody to HIV?

Or how to test for it?

Do you also support the ban on DHMO?

Perhaps you object to the rounding of the Earth as well.

SIGNYM

Monday, October 9, 2017 7:11 PM

I know someone who got HIV from a sexual encounter. The guy who gave it to him was a real asswipe, and the person who got it didn't deserve getting it because of one distraught encounter.

So I was prepared to post that it should remain a felony, but then I read the law. Badly written, trips up on two key points: "knowingly" and "exposing". Especially the "exposing" part, because the law criminalizes having sex with someone ("exposing" them) if you're HIV positive, EVEN IF you're on antivirals and your viral load is so low as to make transmission extremely unlikely. No other disease is treated that way.

What about criminalizing disease transmission (not exposure)? I realize that it would be very difficult to prove: the victim would have to have a very limited list of sexual contacts, of whom only one could be the vector. But then, if you have lots of sexual partners, don't take precautions, and don't ask about HIV status, you'd be at such high risk the law probably shouldn't protect you anyway. Just a thought.

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:23 AM

After all the tears shed about how devastating AIDS was to the gay community, particularly in SF , and other communities, and how much hell was raised about how our govt didn't show any compassion by raising awareness, the vitriol directed towards certain people and politicians, THIS is how CA ends up dealing w/ this issue ?

It's nothing short of true, deranged madness.

Stupid beyond words.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

After all the tears shed about how devastating AIDS was to the gay community, particularly in SF , and other communities, and how much hell was raised about how our govt didn't show any compassion by raising awareness, the vitriol directed towards certain people and politicians, THIS is how CA ends up dealing w/ this issue ?

It's nothing short of true, deranged madness.

Stupid beyond words.

All of that angst and outrage was reserved for 1981-1992.
Remember how 1/3 of the world population was going to die before 1990 due to that mythical AIDS Religion?
And the "scientific" way to test for the hypothetical illness was to check that the Antibody was present, thus proving the Immune System was fully functional?
Some people claim that eventually they will prove that the proposed illness really does exist. It's only been about 34 years since the original hypothesis was disproven.

1KIKI

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:26 AM

jsf

You posted some of the most ignorant words I've ever seen.

Just because you have antibodies doesn't mean your immune system is 'fully functional'. Unfortunately, those antibodies aren't what are called 'neutralizing' antibodies. Instead, they react to external non-essential viral proteins that have nothing to do with whether or not the virus can replicate and spread from cell to cell. So, despite those antibodies, the virus does just fine in people.

HIV was a death sentence, a fact only changed by antiviral medicines, that people must take for life. Which, btw, is inevitably shortened, either due to the virus or the medications.

As for HIV/ AIDS being disproven - you DO know that Koch's postulates have been repeatedly demonstrated to be met - right?

OH! You mean you don't know what Koch's postulates are?

Maybe you better educate yourself.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:48 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
jsf

You posted some of the most ignorant words I've ever seen.

Just because you have antibodies doesn't mean your immune system is 'fully functional'. Unfortunately, those antibodies aren't what are called 'neutralizing' antibodies. Instead, they react to external non-essential viral proteins that have nothing to do with whether or not the virus can replicate and spread from cell to cell. So, despite those antibodies, the virus does just fine in people.

HIV was a death sentence, a fact only changed by antiviral medicines, that people must take for life. Which, btw, is inevitably shortened, either due to the virus or the medications.

As for HIV/ AIDS being disproven - you DO know that Koch's postulates have been repeatedly demonstrated to be met - right?

OH! You mean you don't know what Koch's postulates are?

Maybe you better educate yourself

That is a wacky
dodge you tried there. Not sure if your knee jerked, or if you need your meds refilled.
For shorthand, let's use a wiki reference for Koch's Postulates.
First, KP is not applicable to s virus, and according to your religion a virus is the causative agent.
Next, KP #1 has been disproven many times regarding the AIDS Religion. But wait, the claim to self-support the myth says #1 does not apply to HIV.
Next, KP #2 has never been proven with the AIDS Religion. But wait, the claim is that #2 CANNOT be proven for a virus, which AIDS Cultists claim is the causative agent.
Next, KP #3 has been disproven every time scientific practices have been adhered to, starting with the original hypothesyser Dr Peter Duesberg disproving his theory in 8 months. But wait, the claim to self-support the predetermined conclusions says that #3 also does not apply to HIV.
Next, KP #4 cannot and gas never been proven, because the first 3 cannot be, thus the totality of KP has no credibility.

So, all 4 of Koch's Postulates have been disproven regarding your religion, and also it is claimed that Koch's Postulates cannot be applied to HIV.

So, why do you make false claims by referencing an invalid standard?

That makes no sense.

Yes, people who consume the lethal drug cocktails for the mythical HIV illness will have shorter lives. That AZT one was a doozy. It was known to be 6,000 times more lethal than cancer, which it was designed and created for, but those gay activists gobbled it up, and guess what? They died. Shazam! Surprise, surprise.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
jsf

You posted some of the most ignorant words I've ever seen.

Just because you have antibodies doesn't mean your immune system is 'fully functional'. Unfortunately, those antibodies aren't what are called 'neutralizing' antibodies. Instead, they react to external non-essential viral proteins that have nothing to do with whether or not the virus can replicate and spread from cell to cell. So, despite those antibodies, the virus does just fine in people.

HIV was a death sentence, a fact only changed by antiviral medicines, that people must take for life. Which, btw, is inevitably shortened, either due to the virus or the medications.

As for HIV/ AIDS being disproven - you DO know that Koch's postulates have been repeatedly demonstrated to be met - right?

OH! You mean you don't know what Koch's postulates are?

Maybe you better educate yourself

That is a wacky dodge you tried there. Not sure if your knee jerked, or if you need your meds refilled.
For shorthand, let's use a wiki reference for Koch's Postulates.
First, KP is not applicable to s virus, and according to your religion a virus is the causative agent.
Next, KP #1 has been disproven many times regarding the AIDS Religion. But wait, the claim to self-support the myth says #1 does not apply to HIV.
Next, KP #2 has never been proven with the AIDS Religion. But wait, the claim is that #2 CANNOT be proven for a virus, which AIDS Cultists claim is the causative agent.
Next, KP #3 has been disproven every time scientific practices have been adhered to, starting with the original hypothesyser Dr Peter Duesberg disproving his theory in 8 months. But wait, the claim to self-support the predetermined conclusions says that #3 also does not apply to HIV.
Next, KP #4 cannot and gas never been proven, because the first 3 cannot be, thus the totality of KP has no credibility.

So, all 4 of Koch's Postulates have been disproven regarding your religion, and also it is claimed that Koch's Postulates cannot be applied to HIV.

So, why do you make false claims by referencing an invalid standard?

That makes no sense.

Yes, people who consume the lethal drug cocktails for the mythical HIV illness will have shorter lives. That AZT one was a doozy. It was known to be 6,000 times more lethal than cancer, which it was designed and created for, but those gay activists gobbled it up, and guess what? They died. Shazam! Surprise, surprise.

At least your are consistent in your abidance of the illogic of your religion. The standard hallmark has always been "oh, science does not apply to HIV because it is the exception, and because science does not exist in our religion, we continue to believe that AIDS really really does exist."
Despite all evidence to the contrary.

Just because government requires that normal deaths must be reported and recorded as the self-prophecized deaths of your religious Armageddon, does not mean anybody actually died from the mythical fantasy.

1KIKI

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:44 AM

Quote:
First, KP is not applicable to s virus, and according to your religion a virus is the causative agent.

According to ... you?

Koch's Postulates

Four criteria that were established by Robert Koch to identify the causative agent of a particular disease, these include:

the microorganism or other pathogen must be present in all cases of the disease
the pathogen can be isolated from the diseased host and grown in pure culture
the pathogen from the pure culture must cause the disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible laboratory animal
the pathogen must be reisolated from the new host and shown to be the same as the originally inoculated pathogen

Certainly the HIV can be isolated from all cases. Check one.

ALL viruses - not just HIV - can't be grown in pure culture. That's because viruses need living cells to replicate. That's a well-known and very general limitation. DO YOU CLAIM THAT NO VIRUS CAN BE ESTABLISHED AS THE CAUSE OF A DISEASE? Do you deny that the rabies virus causes rabies, or the smallpox virus causes smallpox, that the Ebola virus causes hemorrhagic fever, or influenza type A virus causes the flu? Because they, along with every other virus, fail Koch's postulate. You must deny that ALL VIRUSES cause any disease, if you're to be consistent and adhere to YOUR denialism.
(Koch's postulates also fail for a number of bacteria that can't be successfully cultured as well, but that's another topic.)

Nevertheless, HIV can be cultured in tissue cultures, and purified, the same way other viruses can be cultured, and purified. And while human experimentation is frowned on, macaques make good test subjects. This shows that when you inject HIV into suitable animals, they become infected.

And when you remove the virus, purify it, and reinject it into new animals, they, too, will acquire the infection.

And so, with the very general virus exception, HIV meets Koch's postulates.

Any questions?

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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