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Quote:He did?
...he promised a higher minimum wage, a big infrastructure bill, a universal health care plan, and even higher taxes on the rich — would be real.
Well, it's a good thing that isn't why I voted for him, then!
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Quote:You actually voted for Trump? I had the vague notion that you lived in California, so it was pointless to vote for a Republican -- the Democrat would get all California's electoral votes, anyway. Therefore you voted for some third party, but you were cheering for Trump because of your 3 points: www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63004&mid=1073399#
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:He did?
...he promised a higher minimum wage, a big infrastructure bill, a universal health care plan, and even higher taxes on the rich — would be real.
Well, it's a good thing that isn't why I voted for him, then!
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I will be voting for a Democrat in 2020, but I won't be saddened if Trump wins because I am the Plutocrat that Mulvaney, White House chief of staff, is enriching. Besides, a Democratic President would be unable to make any headway against the 41 or more Republican Senators in 2021.
A Republican President will make me richer than a Democrat. The extra money Trump sends my way in reduced taxes and regulations will ease my disappointment that he is reelected. And if Trump causes the economy to crash, like Bush did in 2008, I will be buying American real estate and stocks at a huge discount, just like I did during the Bush crash. Eventually, the economy will turnaround after a Republican caused crash, as it did under Obama and Bill Clinton and, going way back, FDR.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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OOH! I get to try out Jacks' list of SECOND's broken record! (with one small addition)
1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
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Originally posted by SECOND:
I will be voting for a Democrat in 2020, but I won't be saddened if Trump#2 wins because I am the Plutocrat#5 that Mulvaney, White House chief of staff, is enriching. Besides, a Democratic President would be unable to make any headway against the 41 or more Republican#6 Senators in 2021.
A Republican#6 President will make me richer#5 than a Democrat. The extra money#5 Trump#2 sends my way in reduced taxes and regulations will ease my disappointment that he is reelected. And if Trump#2 causes the economy to crash, like Bush did in 2008, I will be buying American real estate and stocks at a huge discount#5, just like I did during the Bush crash. Eventually, the economy will turnaround after a Republican#6 caused crash, as it did under Obama and Bill Clinton and, going way back, FDR.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Trump acts like a Populist, but his regulatory record consistently favored big businesses over average people.
The regulatory process usually doesn’t involve the opposition party, at least beyond eliciting occasional complaints, and it usually draws little public scrutiny. As a result, the president’s regulatory record provides special insight into his undiluted priorities and beliefs.
The Brookings Institution catalogues all new regulatory moves, and it has reported that Trump and his appointees have taken 175 significant regulatory actions since he took office in January 2017.
www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/
While Trump’s legislative agenda has focused on building a border wall and lowering taxes for wealthy people and businesses, his regulators have mounted sustained attacks on environmental standards, consumer and worker safeguards, and barriers to discrimination. They have consistently favored big businesses and important interest groups over average people.
Trump appointees have made it materially easier for people to be ripped off: they repealed a requirement that payday lenders determine if a borrower can repay a loan before lending them funds; lessened the performance standards that for-profit colleges have to meet before they can accept federal student loans; issued new rules to increase the hours that truck, bus, and school bus drivers can work without resting; expanded the exemptions from minimum wage and overtime regulations; and nullified people’s rights to stop internet service providers from selling their personal information.
More at https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/07/18/trump-acts-like-a-populist-hi
s-regulatory-record-suggests-otherwise/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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For the fourth season of “The Apprentice,” Donald J. Trump searched for a gimmick to bolster ratings. His idea was simple if explosive — pit an all-white team against an all-black team.
“Do you like it?” he asked, previewing the concept on Howard Stern’s radio show in April 2005.
“Yes,” Mr. Stern said.
“Do you like it?” Mr. Trump asked Robin Quivers, the African-American co-host.
“Well,” she said, “I think you’re going to have a riot.”
That gave Mr. Trump no pause. “It would be the highest-rated show on television,” he exulted.
Over decades in business, entertainment and now politics, Mr. Trump has approached America’s racial, ethnic and religious divisions opportunistically, as openings to achieve his goals, whether they be ratings, fame, money or power, without regard for adverse consequences.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump sounded enthusiastic during his appearance on Mr. Stern’s show in 2005. Mr. Stern asked if there would be both light-skinned and dark-skinned contestants on the black team and Mr. Trump said it would be an “assortment.” As for the white team, Mr. Trump said it should include all blonds.
Even as he egged him on, Mr. Stern expressed more concern about the ramifications than Mr. Trump. “Wouldn’t that set off a racial war in this country?” he asked.
“See, actually, I don’t think it would,” Mr. Trump replied. “I think that it would be handled very beautifully by me. Because, as you know, I’m very diplomatic.”
Mr. Stern agreed. “I gotta tell you something, on some level it’s wrong,” he went on. “But I like it. I like it. I would watch.”
“You’d have to,” Ms. Quivers replied, “because you’d want to know when the riot starts.”
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/politics/trump-race-record.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
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Originally posted by SECOND:
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump.
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1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.
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1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.
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Republicans want to protect the statues of Robert E. Lee. They describe this man as an American hero, but that requires reducing the sum of human virtue to a sense of decorum and the ability to convey gravitas in a gray uniform.
It also requires ignoring the immense suffering for which Robert E. Lee was personally responsible, both on and off the battlefield.
Lee's own views on slavery were explicated in an 1856 letter that it often misquoted to give the impression that Lee was some kind of an abolitionist. The argument Lee made was that slavery is bad for white people, good for black people, and most importantly, it is better than abolitionism; emancipation must wait for divine intervention.
Lee’s heavy hand on his Arlington plantation nearly led to a slave revolt, in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master’s death, and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as his property, one that lasted until a Virginia court forced him to free them.
During his invasion of Pennsylvania, Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia enslaved freemen and brought them back to the South as property. Pryor writes that “evidence links virtually every infantry and cavalry unit in Lee’s army” with the abduction of free black Americans, “with the activity under the supervision of senior officers.”
Soldiers under Lee’s command at the Battle of the Crater in 1864 massacred black Union soldiers who tried to surrender. Then, in a spectacle hatched by Lee’s senior corps commander A.P. Hill, the Confederates paraded the Union survivors through the streets of Petersburg to the slurs and jeers of the southern crowd. Lee never discouraged such behavior. As the historian Richard Slotkin wrote in No Quarter: The Battle of the Crater, “his silence was permissive.”
The presence of black soldiers on the field of battle shattered every myth the South’s slave empire was built on: the happy docility of slaves, their intellectual inferiority, their cowardice, their inability to compete with whites. As Pryor writes, “fighting against brave and competent African Americans challenged every underlying tenet of southern society.” The Confederate response to this challenge was to visit every possible atrocity and cruelty upon black soldiers whenever possible, from enslavement to execution.
As the historian James McPherson recounts in Battle Cry of Freedom, in October of that same year, Lee proposed an exchange of prisoners with the Union general Ulysses S. Grant. “Grant agreed, on condition that blacks be exchanged ‘the same as white soldiers.’” Lee’s response was that “negroes belonging to our citizens are not considered subjects of exchange and were not included in my proposition.” Because slavery was the cause for which Lee fought, he could hardly be expected to easily concede, even at the cost of the freedom of his own men, that blacks could be treated as soldiers and not things. Grant refused the offer, telling Lee that “Government is bound to secure to all persons received into her armies the rights due to soldiers.” Despite its desperate need for soldiers, the Confederacy did not relent from this position until a few months before Lee’s surrender.
Privately, according to the correspondence collected by his own family, Lee counseled others to hire white labor instead of the freedmen, observing “that wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find a white man, you see everything around him improving.”
Publicly, Lee argued against the enfranchisement of blacks, and raged against Republican efforts to enforce racial equality on the South. Lee told Congress that blacks lacked the intellectual capacity of whites and “could not vote intelligently,” and that granting them suffrage would “excite unfriendly feelings between the two races.” Lee explained that “the negroes have neither the intelligence nor the other qualifications which are necessary to make them safe depositories of political power.” To the extent that Lee
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