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Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history. He is a businessman, specializing in marketing the Trump brand; a reality television star, with no experience whatsoever in public office or the military; and a relatively recent convert to the Republican Party. Before entering the 2016 presidential campaign, he was best known in the political world for championing the “birther” movement denying President Obama’s citizenship. During his months of campaigning, he has evidenced scant knowledge of American domestic and foreign policy, few fixed (much less considered) views on issues confronting the country and the world, and a temperament that appears to be an exceptionally poor fit with the position of president of the United States. In the felicitous words of my Brookings colleague Ben Wittes, “Trump’s speeches reflect a degree of grandiosity, narcissism, impulsivity, lack of self command, and instinct to attack his political opponents that are unusual even within the end-of-the-bell-curve emotional zone reserved for politicians.”
From “Too much or too little democracy? Some reflections on Democracy for Realists”
www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democracy-for-Realists.pd
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Originally posted by second:
Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history
Well... 2nd most unpopular.
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Quote:Hillary lost because she was 1st most unpopular nominee in Russian history. She still got 2,864,974 more votes than Trump, so she can't be less popular than Trump with Americans.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history
Well... 2nd most unpopular.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-3-million-po
pular-vote-donald-trump-us-election-a7487901.html
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Hillary lost because she was 1st most unpopular nominee in Russian history. She still got 2,864,974 more votes than Trump, so she can't be less popular than Trump with Americans.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history
Well... 2nd most unpopular.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-3-million-po
pular-vote-donald-trump-us-election-a7487901.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Meh... Only by a couple million votes, and in all the wrong places.
Please don't get me started on the Electoral College again.
I'll just pretend that I didn't expect you to reply exactly the way that you just did.
Have a nice day. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, closer to 3 million more for Hillary than Trump. You rounded the number down to 2 million. I know Trump won the electoral college vote, but Hillary got 47.5% to Trump's 48% and 100% of Pennsylvania's electoral college. Who designed that system where nobody gets a majority, but the minority candidate still receives 100% of the vote? Something weird going on there.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meh... Only by a couple million votes, and in all the wrong places.
Please don't get me started on the Electoral College again.
I'll just pretend that I didn't expect you to reply exactly the way that you just did.
Have a nice day. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania
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The electoral college is a relic that should have died 100 years ago.
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Liberals are dedicated to ruining everything good about America and they have the power of Hollywood and universities and the press to provide cover. A Conservative's timeline of the Failure of America:
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/09/637469/
1) Starting in the early 60, liberals start up a culture war — and over the next 50 years they win it. We make huge strides in feminism, in civil rights, and LGBTQ rights. At the same time, conservative lore insists that we banned prayer in public schools, we removed religious symbols from public buildings, we forced schools to hire gay teachers, we insisted on making buildings accessible to the disabled, we supported anti-white affirmative action in universities, we approved gay marriage, we sued everyone we can think of to make sure women made the same wages as men for the same job, and much more. At the same time, movies, TV, and universities pounded messages of over-the-top tolerance into our kids. Conservatives didn’t just lose the culture wars, they got their asses completely kicked.
2) For obvious reasons, white Republicans, especially older ones, are especially upset about this. And what makes it worse, they can’t get away from it. If they go to the movies, they see it. If they read a newspaper they see it. If they watch a TV show, they see it. It really does seem like it’s some kind omnipresent dark cloud of oppression engineered by smug liberal elites that can out-talk them and out-legislate them time and time again. They feel helpless.
3) Most of these changes seem inexplicable enough to ordinary people that it’s easy for them to be convinced that liberals are deliberately trying to weaken America. Women in the military? Black kids going to Harvard even if their SATs are 200 points too low? Hollywood movies that bash America and then get released abroad? And gay rights? That’s the final straw. Ordinary working-class folks — especially outside the cities — have grown up thinking that gay sex is degenerate, and now liberals want to advertise it far and wide. This is scary, morally decayed stuff, and in 2015 liberals actually persuaded the Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage nationwide! But what if your conscience doesn’t allow it? Tough luck. You issue the certificate or you’re out of a job. Ditto for hospitals and abortions. Ditto again for Obamacare and its individual mandate.
4) If it’s really true that liberals are deliberately trying to weaken America — and there seems to be plenty of evidence, doesn’t there? — then clearly this is a very powerful, very rich, very coordinated movement, most of which is probably hidden from view. And if they’ll do all the stuff you can see on the surface, God only knows what they’re trying to do beneath the surface in their shadowy meeting rooms in New York and Washington DC. It’s pretty plausible that they really do have control of the IRS. That they really did tell the Air Force to stand down and let the Benghazi tragedy unfold. That maybe FEMA really does have a plan for concentration camps. Or that liberals have the skill and power of a James Bond villain to construct a perfectly conceived and implemented plan to bring down Brett Kavanaugh in just a few days.
5) Evangelicals, who have been on the losing end of practically every aspect of the culture wars, and who are losing membership as their elder statesmen either retire or die, have been especially dispirited. In the middle aughts and during the Obama administration they were so distraught that many of them were ready to give up completely. But then, out of nowhere, came Donald Trump. Sure, he might not personally be the most religious guy in the world, but he brought them hope anyway. He was loud, he loved Christianity, and he promised to do everything they wanted. It was a miracle, and he was their savior. This is why evangelicals are his biggest supporters, all his faults notwithstanding.
Bottom line: if you believe Liberals are not just the opposition but are constantly working to destroy conservatism and weaken America, you’ll believe almost
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, closer to 3 million more for Hillary than Trump. You rounded the number down to 2 million. I know Trump won the electoral college vote, but Hillary got 47.5% to Trump's 48% and 100% of Pennsylvania's electoral college. Who designed that system where nobody gets a majority, but the minority candidate still receives 100% of the vote? Something weird going on there.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meh... Only by a couple million votes, and in all the wrong places.
Please don't get me started on the Electoral College again.
I'll just pretend that I didn't expect you to reply exactly the way that you just did.
Have a nice day. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
You'll get no argument from me that the system is flawed and outdated. It does need to be revised and if there is anything shady going on in certain areas then it needs to be investigated.
I don't agree at all with a pure popular vote, but the system as it is designed is over 200 years old and needs to be revamped. Most people who vote for President are just throwing it away entirely because they live in a state that would NEVER go the other way. I'm one of them. I have been in every state I've lived in since I've been old enough to vote. Any presidential vote I've ever made has been entirely meaningless and I might as well have put Daffy Duck for President.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Why didn't the Obama administration make this one of the FIRST things on the docket when the Dems had a majority in both the house and senate?
That's another problem I have with the Democratic Party. They'll endlessly bitch and moan when they lose because of the Electoral College, but they seem to get collective amnesia when they win and nobody thinks to even bring it up.
Y'all know that there ain't no way in hell that the Republicans are going to do anything about it. Why don't you demand that something be done about it when the Democrats are in power?
I think the more important question is why don't the Democrat politicians ever think to ever do anything about it themselves?
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Quote:6ixStringJack, you know how the system works. It needs a super-majority of 67 in the Senate to rewrite the Constitution. It even needs a super-majority of 60 to pass ordinary legislation if the opposition party objects. The Federal government was designed to fail on any controversial issue. That’s how Madison and Jefferson put it together. It’s in the basic design. That’s why the US has had centuries of major friction, with the loud screeching of metal against metal, on all big issues.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't agree at all with a pure popular vote, but the system as it is designed is over 200 years old and needs to be revamped. Most people who vote for President are just throwing it away entirely because they live in a state that would NEVER go the other way. I'm one of them. I have been in every state I've lived in since I've been old enough to vote. Any presidential vote I've ever made has been entirely meaningless and I might as well have put Daffy Duck for President.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Why didn't the Obama administration make this one of the FIRST things on the docket when the Dems had a majority in both the house and senate?
That's another problem I have with the Democratic Party. They'll endlessly bitch and moan when they lose because of the Electoral College, but they seem to get collective amnesia when they win and nobody thinks to even bring it up.
Y'all know that there ain't no way in hell that the Republicans are going to do anything about it. Why don't you demand that something be done about it when the Democrats are in power?
I think the more important question is why don't the Democrat politicians ever think to ever do anything about it themselves?
There have been four efforts to abolish the electoral college. All have been by Democrats. All efforts were thwarted by Republicans. Republicans are always there to stop it from happening in either Congress or at the state legislatures. Until there are 33 or fewer GOP Senators, it cannot happen. Even then it might not happen because there have been three asshole Democrats who also prevented change for the better (Democratic Senators James Eastland of Mississippi, John McClellan of Arkansas, and Sam Ervin of North Carolina) but, thankfully, they are all dead and burning in hell along side of those Democratic Senators who resigned to join the Confederacy in 1860 and 1861. I pray that they all suffer eternal pain for their wholehearted speeches defending the worst decisions in American history.
More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Efforts_
to_abolish
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Texas Republicans scoff at Democratic predictions of a blue wave and brag that GOP dominance in state politics isn’t subject to anti-Trump sentiment fueling elections across the country this year.
One reason the GOP is so comfy: Texas is one of just eight states still offering “straight-ticket” voting, a shortcut that allows voters to click one box at the top of the ballot and automatically register votes for a single party’s candidates in every race — as many as 100 offices in some counties. It’s a practice that’s going out of style across the U.S. but one proven to help Texan Republicans sweep statewide elections over the past two decades.
Nearly two-thirds of the voters in the state’s most populous counties automatically voted the full Democrat or Republican ticket in the last two major elections, according to the Center for Public Political Studies at Austin Community College.
Lawmakers in 2017 voted to phase out straight-ticket voting after November elections, so it won’t be a factor in 2020. In the meantime, political analysts say the practice will likely create a safety net this year to help GOP statewide candidates weather a surge of momentum from a re-energized Democratic Party.
On the other hand, nearly half of the straight-ticket voters in 2016 cast ballots for Democrats, an 8 percent increase over the gubernatorial race in two years before. If that growth continues into the midterm election, this could be the year straight-ticket voting helps Democrats in contentious races in the House of Representatives, including three in the Houston area and two in San Antonio.
Straight-ticket voters stick to their brand much like some people are loyal to one make of a car, said Peck Young, director of Center for Public Policy and Political Studies who has studied decades of voting trends. That loyalty is one of the reasons Republicans dominate Texas politics and consistently sweep the top of the ticket, he said.
“That ain’t a rational deal; that’s an emotional vote,” Young said.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Texas-GOP-looks-t
o-ride-out-blue-wave-with-13265874.php
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