The Yemen Thread

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DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 17, 2017 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Where's Amnesty Int'l., The World Court, or even the UN in all this? They're always crying about some stupid thing or another, but when there's something real like this, nada?

Where were they for the last eight years?

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It's a horrible thing and you're right about heads rolling. It makes Benghazi look like a Sunday picnic.

Agreed, except about Benghazi. I posted this earlier, but the real issue in Benghazi was the connection with the chemical weapons and Al Nusra in Syria, and the spillover conflict. The final toll in that conflict was over a million, so it's not just about the assassination of four americans. It's just everyone talks about americans, including me above, because that's what get's the attention of americans.

Remember the Syrian gas attacks that we said Assad did? The UN and Wikileaks first said that it was Al Nusra, and then Seymour Hersh through down, and then the Turks who sold Al Nusra the weapons used in the attacks confessed, and said HRC told them to do sell Al Nusra (of ISIS) the Benghazi weapons. So that is some major treason there, and not an error.

But that said, it's about a pattern of behavior and what we consider acceptable behavior from our country. Killing schoolchildren is just not acceptable under any circumstance. Indiscriminately bombing foreign countries, we shouldn't do that, and teaming up with the Saudis in supporting some extremist militias, someone should definitely see to that. But if someone wants to dig into Benghazi, by all means, they should go ahead. I'm not defending anyone in govt on this score.

But in order to be a country that doesn't do this, we need the establishment to set rules for itself such that to fuck up this badly at least costs someone their job.

Here's some Benghazi links,
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat
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I'm not sure, this one might just be referencing the last one
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-hil
lary-sarin-gas-attack-syria-assad/

Also worth checking out is Sy Hersh's work on JSOC, and how terrorist militias gain access to US military supplies and money and become part of our foreign policy.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/07/07/preparing-the-battlefield

For more on the Yemen situation, the best place to start to understand it just wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_insurgency_in_Yemen

Yemen, and the nations on the 'travel ban' which is really identical to obama's travel ban, are in a list of seven countries which appeared on the PNAC papers in 1998 as targets for american intervention to protect US oil interests, as a stated goal, back when no one in this country care one whit about terrorism.

The other nations are Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. This list used to include Afghanistan, which doesn't have oil interests, but was of interest in natural gas, but now it's chaos. Thanks to this list. And so are many others. Thanks to this list.

I assume that the travel ban was born of the desire to not have political opposition from the target countries, after Obama's 2009 invasion of Pakistan sparked a huge protest in the UK from their sizeable Pakistani minority. I doubt anyone in govt. is seriously concerned about terrorists from these countries.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 24, 2017 7:58 PM

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Just horrible that this beautiful child and 8 others along with the American casualties died for what? ... some supposed Al Qaida computer hard drives? And this supposed "intelligence" changes what exactly? What was so important that she had to die for it? - RL

For the glory of ~~Trump!~~ Obama/ Hillary! S/He doesn't seem to have the intelligence or empathy to connect the action with the consequences, or the consequences with real people, or real people with any personal responsibility. S/He's been living in that King Neocon land for too long.

As usual you only demonstrate your ignorance with your posts. The raid was planned by ... who, again? The Saudi invasion of Yemen has been militarily supported by .... who, again? The Yemenis were being drone-killed by .... who, again?

Either you don't know what's been going on in Yemen for the past EIGHT YEARS, in which case you're ignorant, or you're pretending not to know, in which case you're a liar.

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7mn people face starvation as Yemen heads towards man-made famine – Oxfam

The situation in war-ravaged Yemen is starting to resemble a man-made famine, with almost seven million people “knowingly” pushed towards starvation, the latest report from the international humanitarian organization Oxfam says.

The ongoing “complex and bloody [civil] war” between the Houthi rebels and forces loyal to ousted President Mansur Hadi has led to the deaths of thousands, as the conflict peaked in 2015, the paper says. Attempts by the Saudi-led coalition to drive back the Houthis have only added to the plight of the people.

Over the past year, “airstrikes and fighting” have led to the deaths of around 7,600 people, with an average of 70 deaths a day, Oxfam said, calling on the world to not ignore the misery in the region.

“The world is now confronting… the largest humanitarian crisis since the creation of the United Nations, with more than 20 million people facing starvation and famine in South Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia and Yemen.”
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Smoke rises from Al Hudaydah city of Yemen after Saudi-led coalition air attack to Houthis' quarters in Yemen © Abdu Muhammed Yahya Haydar / Anadolu Agency / Getty Images Saudi-led coalition's port op would cut off Yemen from food & aid supplies, Russia warns

Yemen, already the “poorest country in the region” prior to the conflict, has been sliding deeper into chaos and poverty over the past two years. The Saudi-led coalition forces “knowingly” worsen it, according to the report.

“Ports, roads and bridges, along with warehouses, farms and markets have been regularly destroyed by the Saudi-led coalition, draining the country’s food stocks,” the paper says. It also casts some blame for the misery on the Houthi rebels, who it claims are “delaying the delivery of life-saving relief, and sometimes detaining aid workers.”

“This, coupled with a flattened economy, has created an abyss of hunger and a serious threat of famine.”

https://www.rt.com/news/382157-yemen-famine-starvation-oxfam/

But, the source is RT so I'm sure you don't want to read about the already-beginning horror.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 24, 2017 10:44 PM

Thanks for the link. I think something definitely needs to be done about the situation. Maybe we need to start the lobby that doesn't exist in America because of the travel ban.

I actually think that was the point of the obama/trump ban, to prevent any people from places we might bomb from being here to lobby against the bombing. just, IMHO.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 24, 2017 10:54 PM

Not quite sure what the point of the snark was. This is a surprisingly non-partisan thread. The only even nominal liberal here is G, and River? not really a liberal. I remember when you guys used to hash it out in the other direction.

Seems like people are actually concerned, but thanks for sharing the story, I'd missed the famine angle, must keep an eye on that. I find the media silence on this issue disturbing, they wouldn't even touch it for a chance to hurt Trump. What's that all about?

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:53 AM

This time, G, Sig's snark aside, she was on topic.

Actually, it's a flaw with the forum. It's evolutionarily beneficial to any thread to have Off-Topic posts and trolling and flamewars. That's an issue. Thinking about this re:designing a site.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:24 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I find the media silence on this issue disturbing, they wouldn't even touch it for a chance to hurt Trump. What's that all about?

My first thought would be that to attack Trump on this would be so obviously hypocritical that even the MSM wouldn't try it, but who are we kidding. That happens every day.

You bring up a good point here, DT. The article I posted was largely based off of a study done between 2004-2011. This will be the 3rd president we've had where drones in general don't really get any MSM coverage.

I wonder if it has to do anything with the fact that a lot of the common folk are starting to use drones for their own personal use as the tech gets cheaper?

I don't own one myself and don't know much about them, but I would assume that anything you're recording with higher end models can be equipped with wi-fi. Even if that's not true yet, there are drone "carriers" now that are designed to house your smart phone, and that is very much connected to the internet. In effect, the more that people buy this stuff and use it, the more cameras there are in the sky watching us that the government can tap into at any time they choose.

I think a huge reason that the MSM doesn't discuss drones much is it doesn't want to scare us out of using them. Once it becomes a daily occurrence for most of us to see them because the civilians are using them, it probably won't be that hard for the Government to start passing laws and flying their own in the name of "public safety".

How long thereafter do they start equipping those surveillance drones with weapons in the name of public safety?

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:54 AM

My problem with YOU, G, and the source of my snark, is that you're all broken up about one girl but don't seem to care too much about the tens of thousands of girls who are very much the same. In other words, it's your lack of objectivity that troubles me.

There are so many Obama apologists on the board and he is responsible for so many real issues that it's a little hard not to react when people ignore them. Especially since these issues HAVE NOT ENDED.

At least, not for the people who are experiencing them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:40 PM

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My problem with YOU, G, and the source of my snark, is that you're all broken up about one girl but don't seem to care too much about the tens of thousands of girls who are very much the same. In other words, it's your lack of objectivity that troubles me.

There are so many Obama apologists on the board and he is responsible for so many real issues that it's a little hard not to react when people ignore them. Especially since these issues HAVE NOT ENDED. - SIGNY

And bullshit. I expressly, DIRECTLY wrote to you on this board about that very thing, and even f*cking agreeing with you.

You did? Where? Either I didn't read your post or I forgot.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I think a huge reason that the MSM doesn't discuss drones much is it doesn't want to scare us out of using them. Once it becomes a daily occurrence for most of us to see them because the civilians are using them, it probably won't be that hard for the Government to start passing laws and flying their own in the name of "public safety".

How long thereafter do they start equipping those surveillance drones with weapons in the name of public safety?

I do have a drone, but yes, I think that they don't want to oppose the idea, or the agenda. It's the same with Yemen in general as a topic. The media is as married to the saudis as it is to israel, and they don't want to oppose the saudi intervention even if they can use it to get at trump, a lot more effectively than the tax form nonsense.

The US is continuing to press ever onward towards global police state, and i think the only backlash that would work would be one that profits cooperation and states rights. state govts and corporations each spend around 4 trillion, similar to the fed. govt. together they outweigh it. of course some state govts want to drop their police forces just as bad, so only certain states would come out ahead

DREAMTROVE

Monday, March 27, 2017 3:30 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You did? Where? Either I didn't read your post or I forgot it.

That needs to be your new sig-nature. The Rick Perry excuse. "It's not my fault if I forget!"

I'll take it.

It's not my fault if I forget!

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