Is Trump Nuts?
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 23:49
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Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't see what the problem was with him saying what he did here. He didn't sound like it was said in an insulting manner and Pocohontas was well thought of enough to be put on a US dollar coin for a time and have a Disney movie made of her.
He also said "they call her Pocohontas." No way of telling who "they" were from the 3 second clip they showed of the speech in this video.
I'm going to file this under "taken out of context" and "SJW bait".
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Excuse me Jack but the lady on the dollar coin was Sacagawea, not Pocohontas.
I stand corrected. My bad, Brenda. They still made a Disney movie with her though.
I don't see how that could be viewed as an insult, other than the fact it came out of Trump's mouth though. Could somebody explain to me what the insult was?
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Excuse me Jack but the lady on the dollar coin was Sacagawea, not Pocohontas.
Red Women : White Men
Pocohontas, 1596-1617.
Bore 1 child, Thomas Rolfe.
Died in Gravesend, Kent, Kingdom of England.
Of course, back then, neither the Europeans nor the Native Americans had
any notion how susceptible they were to the many European illnesses,
small pox, for instance.
Sacagawea, 1788-1812.
"Sacagawea was a Lemhi Shoshone woman who is known for her help to the
Lewis and Clark Expedition in achieving their chartered mission objectives
by exploring the Louisiana Territory." ~Wikipedia
She also married a white man, Toussaint Charbonneau, & bore him 2 children.
If only they'd known what we bring, wouldn't they have patrolled their
eastern shores with war parties? ... It might not have helped, tho, as the
Spanish conquistadors assisted by Catholic priests were settling the western
shores of this continent. I believe the West saw Chinese & Russian settlers
at about the same time. Horses came, too.
What I also find interesting is the European-Native American trade off in drugs.
Whites introduce reds to alcohol, to which Red had no resistance or tolerance,
no doubt due to lack of acetyldehyde-dehydrogenase = a liver enzyme that converts
most of the alcohol to sugar. Meanwhile, the Indians gave us tobacco, which we
whites liked alot & grew extensively, then & now.
Me: Tho I don't tolerate alcohol too well, my tolerance for tobacco is nil. I dare
not take even 1 puff in lieu of instant addiction.
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In my Not humble opinion, Alcoholism is genetic in origin.
Dad was 1 of 7 children. The 6 siblings were all alcoholics who died in their 50's & 60's ... 'cept 1. His bro #2, I've seen him drunk out of his gourd. But I also know that he sobered up sometime, cause he lived to be 88 & outlived 'em all. Dad didn't drink much; his drug was gambling.
His mother, oddly, used to refer to her mother-in-law as "that big Indian woman" in a tone of contempt. But I've got her picture with gr-grandpa. She's white on white; & he looks like a half-breed. We used to ask Dad from time to time if we had any Indian blood; he never would fess up.
Back on topic: Yes, I believe d Trump is nuts ... but not in a good, creative way, not in a way that he can rise above it.
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I'd really like for somebody to explain the insult that Trump made in the clip. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm trying to understand exactly what was insulting about it.
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Quote:I remember you claim you're smart. Figure it out yourself and while you're doing that, figure out what's wrong with what Trump just did. Trump went completely nuts this morning because, you know, he had free time on his hands since it’s Wednesday and he is not all that busy with being President:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd really like for somebody to explain the insult that Trump made in the clip. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm trying to understand exactly what was insulting about it.
Trump is retweeting a far-right British politician convicted of harassing Muslims
https://qz.com/1140996
In the middle of a morning Twitter spree that bragged about his economic performance, and attacked CNN and NBC, president Donald Trump retweeted three disturbing, unverified videos today.
One seems to show a boy being pushed off a roof somewhere in the Middle East. Another depicts a man shattering a gaudy sculpture of the Virgin Mary. The third shows a teenager beating up another teenage who’s holding a crutch. The tweets all highlight or claim that the culprits are “Muslim.”
The source of these tweets? Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of the far-right Britain First party, known mainly for its “invasions” of mosques across the UK and “Christian patrols” that stoke tensions in areas with large Muslim populations.
Last year, Fransen was found guilty of religious aggravated harassment on just such a patrol. She admitted shouting at a local resident that Muslim women cover up to stop themselves being raped “because [Muslim men] cannot control their sexual urges,” adding “that’s why they are coming into my country raping women across the continent.” Defending herself in court, Fransen said: “The reason I said them was because from everything I have studied, I understand them to be true.” She later decried her nearly £2,000 fine as “Islamic appeasement.”
When asked in 2015 whether he endorses his retweets, Trump said: “Well I do retweets, and I mean, to a certain extent, I do, yeah. I think that’s right. Do you want me to say no? You know, I retweet, I retweet for a reason.”
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No. I refuse to play your game. You tell me why that was an insult.
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If someone says ... You argue like a woman! that's only considered an insult if you think women are inferior beings.
Why did Trump (and others) call Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas"? In this case, it was because Warren had made unverifiable claims that she was 1/32 Native American. The problem was Warren's family stories which were taken on the campaign trail, not Pocahontas, who was an innocent bystander in those exchanges.
Listening to Trump, I don't know if he was trying to make the code-talkers feel welcome by referring to a "potentially" native American in the Senate, or if he was taking a swipe at Warren for her ancestry claims.
Still, however it was meant, it was tone-deaf to cite Warren during a ceremony that SHOULD have been focused on the code-talkers. But just like being called a woman, calling someone Pocahontas is only an insult if you think she was an inferior human being. Personally, I would be vastly puzzled if anyone were to call ME Pocahontas, but also a little bit flattered.
So, MY impression is that it was cringingly tone-deaf of Trump. I feel that he doesn't know how to relate to groups of people who are outside of his NYC/ Miami social world. A little bit of thought and preparation and care would have eliminated that gaffe.
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Quote:Trump being thoughtful, prepared and careful? You are making a joke, right? Today, Trump clicks Jayda Fransen’s twitter feed. It’s got a big picture of Donald Trump on top! https://twitter.com/jaydabf He likes that. So he scrolls. Ooh, more videos of Muslims acting horrifically. Are they real? Well, they’re real enough if they come from the president of the United States! So he picks a few and retweets them. Then it’s back to his usual puerile boasting about the economy and rants against the fake news.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A little bit of thought and preparation and care would have eliminated that gaffe.
This is not normal, even for Trump. He’s not a subtle man, but he usually has the animal cunning to at least leave himself a veneer of deniability for his ethnic hatreds. This time, though, he goes full frontal. Why?
1. It’s his way of helping Roy Moore.
2. He wants people talking about this instead of the appalling tax bill Republicans are moving through Congress.
3. He’s officially gone from occasionally delusional to full crazy uncle.
4. Who the hell knows?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/can-donald-trump-ever-go-too-fa
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Okay. I can run with it being a dumb thing to say, or a gaffe. I don't think Trumps the type who reads a bunch of crap that other people write for him like most politicians do. I could be wrong about that. I don't have any citations for it, and I wouldn't necessarily believe them anyhow.
It might have even been a dig at Warren. If that was the case, it was levied only at her and he mistakenly thought that people calling her Pocohontas would be a funny thing to say in the situation. (I agree. If this is the case, it was stupid thing to say in the situation. He may have been trying to break the ice but he wasn't out with his golf buddies.)
It most certainly wasn't an insult to the Native American people. I mean... WTF?
THIS is just another example of the complete loss of OBJECTIVITY in the media. Everything is a zero sum game about identity politics.
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Quote:Native Americans do not agree with you. And it is another example of you and Trump not knowing what the fuck you are talking about and not giving a shit to learn.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It most certainly wasn't an insult to the Native American people. I mean... WTF?
THIS is just another example of the complete loss of OBJECTIVITY in the media. Everything is a zero sum game about identity politics.
"Pocahontas is used a racial slur in the United States all the time," Andrew Curley, citizen of the Navajo Nation, told Newsweek. "I grew up with these kinds of remarks. It's not the name itself but the way it's used. Trump is using it to attack Senator [Elizabeth] Warren and belittle Native Americans at the same time. I take it as a personal insult."
www.newsweek.com/trump-pocahontas-native-americans-elizabeth-warren-ra
cial-slur-723858
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