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Monday, December 4, 2017 10:45 PM
Quote:It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill? I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.
www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp
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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.
It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).
An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.
Quote:
I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!
This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.
You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.
If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.
But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:06 AM
Quote:BJ Clinton was
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
President
Quote:Yes. Maybe the downfall started with Slick Willie. Or perhaps the other BJ - LBJ.
a slime-ball, non-aristocrat, pathetic, bad joke.
... But with his foolish egomania, he's dangerous, too.
Used to be, we often elected Statesmen, professionals in governing.
Our second choice was often a general.
Guys who could spell and define "responsibility."
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:17 AM
Quote:Well, of all people, certainly he who would know best is Obamination's White House Counsel.
Originally posted by second:Quote:“The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.
1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.
Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:26 AM
Quote:More unattributed quotes. Are they all from Obama and Clinton Lawyers? Or did you throw in some Carter, Blabbermouth, Jordan Lawyers too?
Originally posted by second:
Trump’s lawyer: the president can’t obstruct justice. 13 legal experts: yes, he can.Quote:
I believe the better view, supported by a reading of the Constitution, is that the president cannot say to a prosecutor, "I know Person A lied to you, which is a felony, but you should drop the investigation against Person A." Those who drew up articles of impeachment against former Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton clearly thought the president could be guilty of obstruction of justice because that charge was included against both of them.Quote:www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey
If the president interferes or impedes an FBI investigation with "corrupt intent," that's obstruction of justice under 18 USC 1512(c)(2). Trump has essentially confessed three times to his corrupt intent in firing Comey: on May 10 in the Oval Office, on May 11 to NBC's Lester Holt, and then in his tweet on Saturday (awareness that Flynn had committed a crime).
Very few Republican voters will understand what is wrong with "obstructing justice" in either the legal sense or the commonsense definitions, therefore there will be no consequences whatsoever for Trump. The Democrat Senators are not numerous enough to make consequences.
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:31 AM
Quote:Six, you almost exposed the numbers here. But good to spotlight Second's duplicity.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.
It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).
An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.Quote:
I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!
This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.
You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.
If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.
But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't have a great breakdown right this moment, but on this day 2000 the Federal Debt was 5.6 Trillion, before Bush43 took office. His original proposal to reduce the DEBT (immediately eliminating the Deficit) was so aggressive that it eliminated the DEBT within 10 years (2010). But that did not include funding the War to resolve Clinton's flirtations with and avoidance of Osama.
So by 2004 the DEBT was 7.3 Trillion, an increase of 1.7 Trillion in 4 years.
By 2007, before the Rock The Vote Democraps hadvtheir Budget reins in effect, the DEBT was 8.9 Trillion, an increase of 1.6 Trillion in 3 years.
By 2008 the Rock The Vote Democraps had a full year of Budget reins and cranked up the Debt to almost 10 Trillion, or 1.1 Trillion in a 1-year span.
Now the Debt is 20.6 Trillion. And Second is hysterical about a 2 Trillion increase over 10 years?
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well, of all people, certainly he who would know best is Obamination's White House Counsel.
Originally posted by second:Quote:“The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.
1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.
Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”
Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, 40+ others in GOP Congress think obstruction of justice should get a President removed
Although Trump's personal lawyer John Dowd conveniently thinks that U.S. presidents are above the law and can't be removed from office for obstructing justice, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, and dozens of other GOP members of Congress disagree.
At least they strongly disagreed back in 1999, when it suited their agenda to get Bill Clinton impeached for his obstruction of justice during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.
Back then, Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Senator said, “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice." And Sessions wasn't alone.
According to Politico:
More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.
https://boingboing.net/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-mitch-mcconnell.html
Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obst
ruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, 40+ others in GOP Congress think obstruction of justice should get a President removed
Although Trump's personal lawyer John Dowd conveniently thinks that U.S. presidents are above the law and can't be removed from office for obstructing justice, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, and dozens of other GOP members of Congress disagree.
At least they strongly disagreed back in 1999, when it suited their agenda to get Bill Clinton impeached for his obstruction of justice during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.
Back then, Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Senator said, “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice." And Sessions wasn't alone.
According to Politico:
More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.
https://boingboing.net/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-mitch-mcconnell.html
Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obst
ruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517
I find no comfort in this.
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I know what you mean.
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:52 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Six, you almost exposed the numbers here. But good to spotlight Second's duplicity.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.
It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).
An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.Quote:
I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!
This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.
You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.
If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.
But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't have a great breakdown right this moment, but on this day 2000 the Federal Debt was 5.6 Trillion, before Bush43 took office. His original proposal to reduce the DEBT (immediately eliminating the Deficit) was so aggressive that it eliminated the DEBT within 10 years (2010). But that did not include funding the War to resolve Clinton's flirtations with and avoidance of Osama.
So by 2004 the DEBT was 7.3 Trillion, an increase of 1.7 Trillion in 4 years.
By 2007, before the Rock The Vote Democraps hadvtheir Budget reins in effect, the DEBT was 8.9 Trillion, an increase of 1.6 Trillion in 3 years.
By 2008 the Rock The Vote Democraps had a full year of Budget reins and cranked up the Debt to almost 10 Trillion, or 1.1 Trillion in a 1-year span.
Now the Debt is 20.6 Trillion. And Second is hysterical about a 2 Trillion increase over 10 years?
Yeah...
Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.
I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:37 PM
Quote:Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah...
Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.
I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.
Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.
“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.
Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller
Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.
Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.
The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.
A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.
Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.
“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.
The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN
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