Arrival

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When you encounter a person not equal to your intellectual abilities, do you find the best way to communicate is to lower your language or vocabulary to their level, or to talk over their heads and expect them to pick up on your meaning?

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Well, I'm thinking like a human so I may be wrong, but these are aliens and they don't think like us. Plus they already know what's going to happen with their time-bending abilities.

All in all, they picked the one person on earth that could absorb their language and communicate with them. But you're probably right.


SGG

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I watched parts of it again, now on DVD for my first time, the other viewings were in cinema. I certainly hope the DVD version is the same as the theatrical version - some bits seem different or new to me.

THIS POST IS HIGHLY SPOILERISH!! If you have not seen the film yet, I suggest you not read this post.


I did notice some more things, and found some answers to some of my questions. Louise seems to be in 2 times at once, in the future and in "current" time, as portrayed by the film. When she suddenly finds herself in a future time, she seems taken aback, disoriented. But then she is able to participate in the future situation as if is part of her memory, with all of the related things happening then.
It seems that something jarring is needed for her to return to "present" time, like somebody calling her name. I should check on this more, to confirm.

Regarding paradox. Sometimes understanding a paradox or a cause-and-effect sequence needs to have the building blocks identified, to see where the foundation is which produces the result. It has been indicated that Louise gets help from her future daughter, and let us go with that concept. Louise does not know who this little girl is. This girl helps mostly by reminding Louise of something that Louise did which is history for this future girl, but has not yet happened in the time of the Shell's Arrival. This girl is helping Louise make progress in understanding and translating the heptapods. This girl would not eventually be created if Ian and Louise had never met. Ian and Louise meet because of the Arrival of the Shell in Montana. Without the help from the girl, they would not have had a successful outcome, and perhaps would not conceive the daughter, who is the pivotal key in solving this puzzle.

Now I am forgetting the other part of this sequence, sorry.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
All in all, they picked the one person on earth that could absorb their language and communicate with them. But you're probably right.

SGG

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You keep losing me when you insist that they picked Louise Banks, their only pick.

If they picked her, why did they not land/park in her backyard, instead of in Montana? By highest priority military helo they left her house at zero dark thirty and arrived at The Shell in full daylight. Col Weber's first choice was apparently Danvers in Berkley, but he went to Louise first because her SSDI security clearance was still valid for 2 more years, from when she helped them translate Farsi. When he left her office, he said it would be the end of her chance to do the work, which he insisted must be done remotely, not in person.

At the film opening, Louise narrates "I thought this was the beginning of your story" while displaying the newborn daughter. But this may imply that the beginning of the daughter's story was her helping Louise solve the translation of the Arrivals, which then joined Ian and Louise, producing the daughter Hannah, who then helps mom in the future solve the problem now.
Hannah's helping mom Louise is needed for this history to work out.


In the last session that the whole crew, with Ian and Louise, visit the Shell, Weber has directed that Louise ask the big question. What is the purpose of the heptapods visiting Earth? They respond "offer weapon"
The session is interrupted, and other nations have translated "use weapon" as broadcast by news media. This is not only Louise getting this message, but all 12 sites - hardly meaning that Louise is their first and only choice as translator.
In the last session that both Ian and Louise visit the Shell, Abbott has Louise touch the wall/window with her hands, to make the language they use. Here Louise sees the newborn scenes of her future daughter Hannah. Then Abbott & Costello start displaying the 1/12 of the equations. Then the bomb goes off, putting Abbott into death process.

In the tent, Louise points out that there is no evidence that the

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Continuation of yesterday.

This post is very SPOILERISH!!!


I have been struggling to find a word which encompasses my sense of the heptapods. I finally arrived at Majestic. I think this is also a term that Ian and Louise would agree with. Perhaps this is also why I found the selfless death of Abbott to be profound.


The 12 sites were: Montana, Venezuela, Greenland, UK, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Russia BLack Sea, Russia Siberia, Pakistan, China, Japan, Indian Ocean near Australia.

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Something just came to mind as I was reading your response. It's about Hannah.
Now bear with me on this, I have to go back to the film to see if my thought, or theory, is correct.


SGG

Okay, I re-watched the ending.

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At the film opening, Louise narrates "I thought this was the beginning of your story" while displaying the newborn daughter. But this may imply that the beginning of the daughter's story was her helping Louise solve the translation of the Arrivals, which then joined Ian and Louise, producing the daughter Hannah, who then helps mom in the future solve the problem now. Hannah's helping mom Louise is needed for this history to work out.

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You are onto something here as far as the films intent is concerned. The perception of time and what we, as humans, do with it. I'm going to let you in on a secret, as I watched the film on my laptop (I have what is called "X-Ray" on my copy of the movie - from Amazon - that allows me to tap into movie trivia, scenes, cast, characters and music.

This is what it says under General Trivia:

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When Louise's daughter questions the reason for her name, Hannah, Louise explains that her name is a palindrome, that is to say that her name is spelled the same backwards as it is forward as it is backwards. This reflects the theme of the film in that the story starts as it finishes, due to the story's events existing in a non-linear timeline. The opening few scenes of the film are simultaneously the beginning and the end...

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Something just came to mind as I was reading your response. It's about Hannah.
Now bear with me on this, I have to go back to the film to see if my thought, or theory, is correct.


SGG

Okay, I re-watched the ending.

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At the film opening, Louise narrates "I thought this was the beginning of your story" while displaying the newborn daughter. But this may imply that the beginning of the daughter's story was her helping Louise solve the translation of the Arrivals, which then joined Ian and Louise, producing the daughter Hannah, who then helps mom in the future solve the problem now. Hannah's helping mom Louise is needed for this history to work out.

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You are onto something here as far as the films intent is concerned. The perception of time and what we, as humans, do with it. I'm going to let you in on a secret, as I watched the film on my laptop (I have what is called "X-Ray" on my copy of the movie - from Amazon - that allows me to tap into movie trivia, scenes, cast, characters and music.

This is what it says under General Trivia:

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When Louise's daughter questions the reason for her name, Hannah, Louise explains that her name is a palindrome, that is to say that her name is spelled the same backwards as it is forward as it is backwards. This reflects the theme of the film in that the story starts as it finishes, due to the story's events existing in a non-linear timeline. The opening few scenes of the film are simultaneously the beginning and the end...

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I didn't think that was really a secret - remember how they spelled her name forward and backward a few times? I thought they were spoonfeeding us the foreshadowing there, or the explanation.
I am still not fully fleshed out on the Pakistan connection. One Shell site is Pakistan, and it was said that their language has no beginning or end (or the name they give the characters of their language - edit: logograms). So why didn't the Pakis figure out things before Louise? The disconnect between written and audio. And I have not delved into how the Paki's speak a language that is written without beginning or end.

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There was also, in that scene toward the end with Louise and her daughter, as she was coloring, a play-doh Heptapod was on the table. Although I remembered seeing this each time I viewed the film, I never put it to mind that maybe, just maybe Hannah was also sensitive to the Heptapods (perhaps Abbott?).

As far as Louise is concerned, I always thought that the Heptapods, with their time bending non linear travel, always knew that Louise was an empath and subject to their abilities - hence giving her the "weapon" or their language. They arrived, as they did, because they knew that they had to make contact with her. They had to give her the weapon for her to use and that it would be instrumental in them helping mankind 3000 years hence.


SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Something just came to mind as I was reading your response. It's about Hannah.
Now bear with me on this, I have to go back to the film to see if my thought, or theory, is correct.


SGG

Okay, I re-watched the ending.

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At the film opening, Louise narrates "I thought this was the beginning of your story" while displaying the newborn daughter. But this may imply that the beginning of the daughter's story was her helping Louise solve the translation of the Arrivals, which then joined Ian and Louise, producing the daughter Hannah, who then helps mom in the future solve the problem now. Hannah's helping mom Louise is needed for this history to work out.

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You are onto something here as far as the films intent is concerned. The perception of time and what we, as humans, do with it. I'm going to let you in on a secret, as I watched the film on my laptop (I have what is called "X-Ray" on my copy of the movie - from Amazon - that allows me to tap into movie trivia, scenes, cast, characters and music.

This is what it says under General Trivia:

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When Louise's daughter questions the reason for her name, Hannah, Louise explains that her name is a palindrome, that is to say that her name is spelled the same backwards as it is forward as it is backwards. This reflects the theme of the film in that the story starts as it finishes, due to the story's events existing in a non-linear timeline. The opening few scenes of the film are simultaneously the beginning and the end...

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I didn't think that was really a secret - remember how they spelled her name forward and backward a few times? I thought they were spoonfeeding us the foreshadowing there, or the explanation.
I am still not fully fleshed out on the Pakistan connection. One Shell site is Pakistan, and it was said that their language has no beginning or end (or the name they give the characters of their language). So why didn't the Pakis figure out things before Louise? The disconnect between written and audio. And I have not delved into how the Paki's speak a language that is written without beginning or end.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Something just came to mind as I was reading your response. It's about Hannah.
Now bear with me on this, I have to go back to the film to see if my thought, or theory, is correct.

SGG

Okay, I re-watched the ending.

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At the film opening, Louise narrates "I thought this was the beginning of your story" while displaying the newborn daughter. But this may imply that the beginning of the daughter's story was her helping Louise solve the translation of the Arrivals, which then joined Ian and Louise, producing the daughter Hannah, who then helps mom in the future solve the problem now. Hannah's helping mom Louise is needed for this history to work out.

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You are onto something here as far as the films intent is concerned. The perception of time and what we, as humans, do with it. I'm going to let you in on a secret, as I watched the film on my laptop (I have what is called "X-Ray" on my copy of the movie - from Amazon - that allows me to tap into movie trivia, scenes, cast, characters and music.

This is what it says under General Trivia:

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When Louise's daughter questions the reason for her name, Hannah, Louise explains that her name is a palindrome, that is to say that her name is spelled the same backwards as it is forward as it is backwards. This reflects the theme of the film in that the story starts as it finishes, due to the story's events existing in a non-linear timeline. The opening few scenes of the film are simultaneously the beginning and the end...

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I didn't think that was really a secret - remember how they spelled her name forward and backward a few times? I thought they were spoonfeeding us the foreshadowing there, or the explanation.
I am still not fully fleshed out on the Pakistan connection. One Shell site is Pakistan, and it was said that their language has no beginning or end (or the name they give the characters of their language). So why didn't the Pakis figure out things before Louise? The disconnect between written and audio. And I have not delved into how the Paki's speak a language that is written without beginning or end.

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There was also, in that scene toward the end with Louise and her daughter, as she was coloring, a play-doh Heptapod was on the table. Although I remembered seeing this each time I viewed the film, I never put it to mind that maybe, just maybe Hannah was also sensitive to the Heptapods (perhaps Abbott?).

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I don't agree here. There is no indication that they return in a few years when Hannah is around 10. (aside, the credits do not list an actress playing Hannah aged 18, nothing over 12 years old) For Hannah, this is known history involving her mom. This scene with the play-doh heptapods is played twice, the one near the end is the second time. Several times is also the drawing of Mommy and Daddy Talk to the Animals, her TV show - which initially shows mommy and daddy, and later also shows the canary in the cage in the drawing as well. All of these are just known history to Hannah, involving her mom.

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As far as Louise is concerned, I always thought that the Heptapods, with their time bending non linear travel, always knew that Louise was an empath and subject to their abilities - hence giving her the "weapon" or their language. They arrived, as they did, because they knew that they had to make contact with her. They had to give her the weapon for her to use and that it would be instrumental in them helping mankind 3000 years hence.

SGG

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Also, Louise was the 3rd person that Col Weber wanted, after Danvers at Berkley, and the first team leader Dr. Walker, who was being medevacced as Ian and Louise arrived. More on this when I have time.

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Further continuation from a few days ago.

This post is very SPOILERISH!!!!




The crew arrive in the helo the first time at around 0740. After a few minutes of medical and meeting their teams, it is 0745, and they enter the Shell for the 0800 session.
They approach the Montana site in the helo from the SSW - the light is from the right, shadows to the left. Because the reports were that the Shell was just off Interstate 94 (an East-West Interstate) I had assumed the road Louise viewed during approach was I-94, but now I'm not sure which highway this north-south road is.

I had previously thought, but likely haven't posted, is that sound as defined by us requires a component of time. The concept of Hertz, sinusoidal waves, and wavelengths are functions of time. So a language which joins beginning and end seems to miss a component or time. So their sounds may just be their words, but we are not hearing them in the way they are emitted. If time is the 4th dimension, then consider if somebody in 3 dimensions shows a 3-D object to something in only 2 dimensions - there will not be the 3rd Dimension for reference to comprehend how the 2D slices of the 3D item go together.

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