Ukraine today
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How did he rig the last election?
You set up a thread to discuss the Syrian and Ukrainian elections not one month ago. I guess discussion on Yanukovich rigging elections wasn't what you wanted to hear. Let me post it for you again:
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KPO:
"Compare that with Yanukovich's track record of holding elections - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20120888
The OSCE said the elections "were marked by the abuse of state resources, lack of transparency of campaign and party financing and the lack of balanced media coverage", and were a backwards step for democracy after the 2010 election held by the previous pro-Western government that was recognised as free and fair. "
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Were the elections to be held under international observation?
The 2012 elections were held under international observation, it didn't stop Yanukovich rigging them.
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And the NEXT elections - which bypassed a significant number of Ukrainians .... were so much fairer!
Yes that's right, the OSCE said exactly that! But you're right to condemn the Russians and the separatists for thwarting democratic elections in the areas they occupied. The human rights situations in those eastern territories is very bleak by all accounts, including the UN's.
Now, back to the evidence you can't provide:
Signy: Where is the evidence for this happening in Kiev on Feb 21st 2014:
"a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially: the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group"
"the sudden and illegal seizure of a state,usually [but not always- SIGNY] instigated by a small group"
"A quick and decisive extra-legal seizure of governmental power by a relatively small but highly organized group of political or military leaders, typically by means of the unexpected arrest or assassination of the incumbent chief executive and his principal supporters within the government."
And kiki, didn't you have evidence of a coup as well? Armed men storming Yanukovich's residence?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:36 PM
1KIKI
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20120888
The OSCE said the elections "were marked by the abuse of state resources, lack of transparency of campaign and party financing and the lack of balanced media coverage", and were a backwards step for democracy after the 2010 election held by the previous pro-Western government that was recognised as free and fair. "
The article goes on to say
Two international observer missions gave much more positive assessments than the OSCE's.
The 56 members of the European Academy for Elections Observation, most of whom are European Parliament members, said the vote was held "in compliance with democratic norms". They called it "a good election, not perfect but clearly acceptable".
Observers from the ex-Soviet countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) called the election "transparent and democratic".
Now, none of these reports is linked in the article (for SHAME!! BBC, it's the easiest thing in the world to do given your resources and that reporting the news IS YOUR JOB).
OSCE: http://www.osce.org/odihr/96675?download=true
EAEO: http://www.eaeo.eu/francais/wordpress/?p=160
CIS: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/82911864/cis-emo-finds-ukra
ines-parliamentary-elections-transparent
it didn't stop Yanukovich rigging them.
And here's where you - yet AGAIN! - cherry pick the small bit out of the article you yourself reference, and exclude the OTHER facts that it ALSO contained that would disprov
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I've not had time to dig deep into the accusations that Kiev and Novorossia are tossing at each other, each claims "the other" is planning a major offensive, and both seem to be focused on Mariupol. Both Kiev and Novorossia seem to think that the plan is for Kiev to take Mariupol. Huh? I thought that was already under control of western Ukraine!
Kiev is shelling eastern Ukraine (again) and (as usual) OSCE observers observe nothing.
Russia, I read several months back, is giving everyone in Novorossia Russian passports. The process is due to be complete by February. Despite its importance, I've only read one article about that and have not had time to pursue it. But should that occur, that technically makes Novorossians citizens of Russia, does it not? And therefore, Russia could claim to be protecting its citizens if it takes direct military action in Novorossia, correct?
Ukraine is experiencing 40+% inflation. The most important ECONOMIC action that occurred is that Kiev officially implemented the EU trade agreement... the one that caused all of this to being with. Since Russia has no interest in maintaining a tariff-free pathway of European goods via its trade agreement with Ukraine, Russia negated its tariff-free trade agreement with Ukraine. That means that trade with Russia - which up until now was still Kiev's major trading partner- will come to a virtual halt. Under the new agreement with the EU, which places natgas trade under government rules as opposed to bilateral agreements, Kiev's Naftogaz abrogated its gas transit agreement with Russian Gazprom, and is proposing renegotiation of fees. That may lead to Gazprom to stop natgas fuel delivery (in winter) but I expect they will engage in long, drawn-out negotiations instead.
The sabotage of the Ukrainian power-pylons to Crimea has prompted Russia is hurriedly finish the traffic/power/water bridge to Crimea. Crimeans voted to stop ALL deliveries of electricity from Ukraine, not just the sabotaged ones.
More importantly, here is a speculative article about the assignment of a new Russian troubleshooter to Ukraine.
Boris Gryzlov and Ukraine: Russia brings on a Heavy-Weight
Appointment of Boris Gryzlov to represent Russia on the Contact Group brings a key Russian decision maker into the heart of the crisis.
Alexander Mercouris
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That the Russian leadership continues to accord the Ukrainian conflict the highest importance is confirmed by a very interesting appointment the Kremlin has just announced. This is the appointment of Boris Gryzlov as Russia’s representative on the so-called Contact Group.
The Contact Group was set up in June 2014 as a result of the talks in Normandy between Putin, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande. Its original purpose was to help put into effect the peace plan Poroshenko was expected to announce later that month. In the event Poroshenko’s peace plan proved a major disappointment, amounting to nothing more than a demand the east Ukrainians disarm unilaterally and their leaders flee to Russia, in return for the vaguest possible promise of eventual “decentralisation”, with no explanation either of what that meant or of the process whereby it would be achieved.
Unsurprisingly, Poroshenko’s peace was rejected by the east Ukrainians and by the Russians (who called it - correctly - an ultimatum rather than a peace plan). However it limped on as a sort of convenient fiction until the Battle of Debaltsevo. The Minsk Protocol of September 2014 was supposedly an amendment of it.
Poroshenko’s peace plan was replaced by the Minsk Agreement of February 2015. Unlike Poroshenko’s peace plan and the September 2014 Minsk Protocol, this is an international agreement to which Russia is a party, which is incorporated in international law by a Security Council Resolution.
The Contact Group has however continued to function as the main venue for discussions between the militia and the Ukrainian government. This is so even though the Ukrainians insist that they will not negotiate withNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Ex-Brit soldier captured by Putin in Ukraine faces 25 years in Russian prison if convicted
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-ex-british-soldier-c
aptured-34186761
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Ex-Brit soldier captured by Putin in Ukraine faces 25 years in Russian prison if convicted
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-ex-british-soldier-c
aptured-34186761
It's probably not a good vacation spot until Biden* is out of the White House.
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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.
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