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BRENDA

Saturday, October 22, 2022 5:47 AM

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Wow you watched that fast. Must not have been too bad then, huh?

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I guess it was a little fast. I used the Close Captioning for the show and reading what the English actors were saying was fine. I had to give up trying to read the English translation for the Algonquin which is what the Pamunkey spoke as it was so small on screen. I just listened to the Algonquin. And I could get the jist of it anyways.

Wow that's cool. I didn't know you were bilingual.

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As I said the two characters that changed the most were the Sharrow brothers, Silas and Henry. Silas started out just wanting to make a life for himself and being the good brother, while Henry was only out for money and no interest in anything really. It was almost dying in a fire when he had talked his brother into going trading and being saved and healed by the Pamunkey that changed his life. He became about building a life on the land and bringing honour to his family name. Then Henry became even more understanding when he was given a Pamunkey wife. Watching him learn how to reconcile the English culture with Pamunkey especially after their baby daughter died. He wanted to bury the baby on the land he was given but his wife's brother said the baby had to be buried on Pamunkey land. Henry finally gave in and grieved mightly for his child.

I got the feeling that the Govnenor was returned to Virginia to take more land than what they had gotten from the Pamunkey. By the end he was talking guns and destroying the Pamunkey. Course there was a war between the settlers of Jamestown and the Pamunkey. The Pamunkey lost and the settlers that survived were the ones that got to Jamestown and behind its walls.

Henry's wife went with him most likely out of fear. She wouldn't have been spared in the raids.

The Widow Castell, Jocelyn came from England to get away from her past and marry a rich man. The red head who was a thief and her passage was bought by the Tavern owner was adapting. Alice was suppose to marry Henry Sharrow but fell for his brother Silas. She was having a hard time adapting to life in the New World maybe it was best that she went back to England.

I kind of had to gloss over this part. I only saw one episode, so I'm not familiar with the characters names yet, and I really don't want too many spoilers. I was sad to see that it got cancelled after 3 seasons and it sounds like they really rushed the ending to try to tie up loose ends when they realized there wasn't a 4th season. Shame on PBS for not ever mentioning that, I think.

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What drove me batty besides that the fact that in another 200 years when the colonizers would reach the now western states nothing in their behavior had changed. Convert, land, resources and destroy.

Also I prefer the word Indians to "the Naturals" as those early colonists called us.

So, it did get under my skin some.

I'm sure it did. But wouldn't you rather see them make the show with the warts and all instead of pretending that this didn't happen? I'm surprised they did it in today's climate. Everybody gets so offended about everything so easily that we're just erasing the past completely to save the most sensitive of us from being offended.

That's how history ends up repeating itself. :(

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Not bilingualism. I was just going by what I could read of the translations of the Pamunkey and what the settlers were saying in return in English. Also just body language of the actors.

Sorry about all of that. I was trying to figure out how to talk about the show without dropping too many spoilers. Guess I blew it. It did feel like th

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 22, 2022 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Not bilingualism. I was just going by what I could read of the translations of the Pamunkey and what the settlers were saying in return in English. Also just body language of the actors.

Oh. Okay. I thought you actually knew enough of the language to at least get the bits in pieces. It's a shame that the text was so small. I wonder if you would have enjoyed the show better if you got all that dialogue.

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Sorry about all of that. I was trying to figure out how to talk about the show without dropping too many spoilers. Guess I blew it. It did feel like they kind of left things hanging and it is too bad. PBS isn't usually that shoddy.

Oh.... No worries. You only typed out a few paragraphs for a 3 season show. Like I said, I just kind of skimmed over it, but even if I took it all in I don't even remember any character names from the one episode I watched.

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It did and I expected it too truthfully. I do want history any history represented as truthfully as possible. Erasing portions of what happened in the past serves no one. I would hazard that the reason it got made at all was because it wound up on PBS. If it was done and being funded by a regular network it would have been sanitized. PBS doesn't seem to really cater to the overly sensitive viewers.

Oh... Not only would it have been sanitized, but people would have had magical super powers and I'm sure the dialogue would be nonsense gibberish in between the epic battles that had no basis in reality.

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That is also true. :(

The past needs to be preserved, for better or for worse. Not to shame anyone, but to learn from the mistakes so they aren't ever repeated again.

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BRENDA

Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Not bilingualism. I was just going by what I could read of the translations of the Pamunkey and what the settlers were saying in return in English. Also just body language of the actors.

Oh. Okay. I thought you actually knew enough of the language to at least get the bits in pieces. It's a shame that the text was so small. I wonder if you would have enjoyed the show better if you got all that dialogue.

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Sorry about all of that. I was trying to figure out how to talk about the show without dropping too many spoilers. Guess I blew it. It did feel like they kind of left things hanging and it is too bad. PBS isn't usually that shoddy.

Oh.... No worries. You only typed out a few paragraphs for a 3 season show. Like I said, I just kind of skimmed over it, but even if I took it all in I don't even remember any character names from the one episode I watched.

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It did and I expected it too truthfully. I do want history any history represented as truthfully as possible. Erasing portions of what happened in the past serves no one. I would hazard that the reason it got made at all was because it wound up on PBS. If it was done and being funded by a regular network it would have been sanitized. PBS doesn't seem to really cater to the overly sensitive viewers.

Oh... Not only would it have been sanitized, but people would have had magical super powers and I'm sure the dialogue would be nonsense gibberish in between the epic battles that had no basis in reality.

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That is also true. :(

The past needs to be preserved, for better or for worse. Not to shame anyone, but to learn from the mistakes so they aren't ever repeated again.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

My great grandmother's language wasn't and isn't related to Algonquin. Those clips you posted, I think the Native actors and for sure the English actors had to learn to speak Algonquin. I know that many Indigenous languages in the US and Canada are in danger of disappearing because they have so few speakers. Algonquin which is spoken in Eastern Canada is better protected up here. Also there was some sign language as well. It really was. I probably would have gotten more out of the show if the translating had been in bigger print.

Okay then. I did a reasonable job.

Or they would have left the Pamunkey out all together.

I agree with you as I think I have said around here. Any and all history needs to be preserved so we all can learn.

BRENDA

Saturday, October 22, 2022 11:17 PM

Out for my walk and taking umbrella.

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 23, 2022 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Not bilingualism. I was just going by what I could read of the translations of the Pamunkey and what the settlers were saying in return in English. Also just body language of the actors.

Oh. Okay. I thought you actually knew enough of the language to at least get the bits in pieces. It's a shame that the text was so small. I wonder if you would have enjoyed the show better if you got all that dialogue.

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Sorry about all of that. I was trying to figure out how to talk about the show without dropping too many spoilers. Guess I blew it. It did feel like they kind of left things hanging and it is too bad. PBS isn't usually that shoddy.

Oh.... No worries. You only typed out a few paragraphs for a 3 season show. Like I said, I just kind of skimmed over it, but even if I took it all in I don't even remember any character names from the one episode I watched.

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It did and I expected it too truthfully. I do want history any history represented as truthfully as possible. Erasing portions of what happened in the past serves no one. I would hazard that the reason it got made at all was because it wound up on PBS. If it was done and being funded by a regular network it would have been sanitized. PBS doesn't seem to really cater to the overly sensitive viewers.

Oh... Not only would it have been sanitized, but people would have had magical super powers and I'm sure the dialogue would be nonsense gibberish in between the epic battles that had no basis in reality.

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That is also true. :(

The past needs to be preserved, for better or for worse. Not to shame anyone, but to learn from the mistakes so they aren't ever repeated again.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

My great grandmother's language wasn't and isn't related to Algonquin. Those clips you posted, I think the Native actors and for sure the English actors had to learn to speak Algonquin. I know that many Indigenous languages in the US and Canada are in danger of disappearing because they have so few speakers. Algonquin which is spoken in Eastern Canada is better protected up here. Also there was some sign language as well. It really was. I probably would have gotten more out of the show if the translating had been in bigger print.

Okay then. I did a reasonable job.

Or they would have left the Pamunkey out all together.

I agree with you as I think I have said around here. Any and all history needs to be preserved so we all can learn.

Some say that the Innuit had a dozen (or more!) words for "snow". Maybe that's an exaggeration, but when you have to travel by dogsled or on foot, you would have wanted some way to describe how often your runners froze on the surface, or how deep they sank, or maybe whether it had frozen into hillocks or glare ice, or whether it was powder and free-running. (I guess kind of like skiers today: is it cornball snow? a groomed surface? slushy? powder?) Once you have a snowmobile a lot of those distinctions fade away. Unless you preserve the language. Maybe create a written form if none existed.

I imagine there are hundreds of lost languages across the Americas. It's a shame bc every culture had a way of looking at the world, expressed in its language.

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BRENDA

Sunday, October 23, 2022 3:28 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Not bilingualism. I was just going by what I could read of the translations of the Pamunkey and what the settlers were saying in return in English. Also just body language of the actors.

Oh. Okay. I thought you actually knew enough of the language to at least get the bits in pieces. It's a shame that the text was so small. I wonder if you would have enjoyed the show better if you got all that dialogue.

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Sorry about all of that. I was trying to figure out how to talk about the show without dropping too many spoilers. Guess I blew it. It did feel like they kind of left things hanging and it is too bad. PBS isn't usually that shoddy.

Oh.... No worries. You only typed out a few paragraphs for a 3 season show. Like I said, I just kind of skimmed over it, but even if I took it all in I don't even remember any character names from the one episode I watched.

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It did and I expected it too truthfully. I do want history any history represented as truthfully as possible. Erasing portions of what happened in the past serves no one. I would hazard that the reason it got made at all was because it wound up on PBS. If it was done and being funded by a regular network it would have been sanitized. PBS doesn't seem to really cater to the overly sensitive viewers.

Oh... Not only would it have been sanitized, but people would have had magical super powers and I'm sure the dialogue would be nonsense gibberish in between the epic battles that had no basis in reality.

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That is also true. :(

The past needs to be preserved, for better or for worse. Not to shame anyone, but to learn from the mistakes so they aren't ever repeated again.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

My great grandmother's language wasn't and isn't related to Algonquin. Those clips you posted, I think the Native actors and for sure the English actors had to learn to speak Algonquin. I know that many Indigenous languages in the US and Canada are in danger of disappearing because they have so few speakers. Algonquin which is spoken in Eastern Canada is better protected up here. Also there was some sign language as well. It really was. I probably would have gotten more out of the show if the translating had been in bigger print.

Okay then. I did a reasonable job.

Or they would have left the Pamunkey out all together.

I agree with you as I think I have said around here. Any and all history needs to be preserved so we all can learn.

Some say that the Innuit had a dozen (or more!) words for "snow". Maybe that's an exaggeration, but when you have to travel by dogsled or on foot, you would have wanted some way to describe how often your runners froze on the surface, or how deep they sank, or maybe whether it had frozen into hillocks or glare ice, or whether it was powder and free-running. (I guess kind of like skiers today: is it cornball snow? a groomed surface? slushy? powder?) Once you have a snowmobile a lot of those distinctions fade away. Unless you preserve the language. Maybe create a written form if none existed.

I imagine there are hundreds of lost languages across the Americas. It's a shame bc every culture had a way of looking at the world, expressed in its language.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

I've heard that too and I'm not sure if it is true or not. I would have to do some research on it.

My opinion is that the distinction doesn't go away but probably adapts. Even with a snowmobile to replace a dogsled or snowshoes, you still need to describe what the snow conditions are like.

There are projects going on in places across Canada including the north wh

BRENDA

Sunday, October 23, 2022 3:31 AM

Walk done and no rain. Also managed to cross a couple more things off my to do list.

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 23, 2022 3:42 AM

Well my schedule and the weather finally coincided and I got out to yardwork. I hope to be able to continue for the next ten days (longer, if the weather holds out) in between the various appointments on the calendar.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

BRENDA

Sunday, October 23, 2022 11:29 PM

Just a slow Sunday around me.

SIGNYM

Monday, October 24, 2022 1:12 AM

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Just a slow Sunday around me.

Do you like decaff coffee?

I discovered the thing that propels me out of bed in the AM: a nice cup of coffee (decaff will work!) with some canned milk and a bit of natural sweetener.

It sure gives me something to look forward to! Seems like it would be a nice Sunday AM treat

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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