capitalism, by definition, is a stupid and foolish human system
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
As for the rest MAGONSDAUGHTER, smarter people than I will have to suggest adopting different ways of doing things based on other countries. I am not against it, but I am also not versed enough on the intricacies of the way other countries do things. Best I do not preach to extensively and suggest we emulate them, as too many here are fond of doing. I know of many things in this country that are not as they seem when seen through the eyes of someone from elsewhere. I don’t know where you are from but I know here. I have enough background learned from life’s experiences and though our education system to make sound judgments on the goings-on in this country, and what would go a long way to fixing our ills.
Just my opinions of course. But they are sound.
si shen
I was giving examples of what other countries do to demonstrate different models exist that are not 'communist' as you claimed in one of your contradicting posts.
Sometimes simply understanding that things can be done differently without 'tyranny' being fasttracked in to your lives, means that you might consider different ways of doing things.
Over the years I've had many frustrating conversations with Americans about how x y and z can't be done without a country turning into North Korea. It's like the rest of the world doesnt exist.
Or it exists like this
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I would have to agree with you on some things. I think you miss the entire point in that there is no such thing as interest on non organic things. Have you ever seen to Benjemins banging a 50 out or taking their sick 20 to the dr no cause money is organic. Now if in accounting it is a fact that when you create the loan you do not create the interest that has to be paid back. Where does that come from? Look to your right and left in a gathering of 5 and 2 of those people must fail for you to get paid interest on savings investments or if you are the bank your cut. How does this work well you blow up the market with a bubble that puts all this cash into the system then you crash it to get that money back to pass on to savers investors and the banks. That isn't fear stupidity; but for those who believe in our monetary system, or anything else it's an immoral monetary system that every time a loan is written the banker knows you OR SOMEONE ELSE will have to fail for that loan to be paid back. Feeling righteous and a job creator yet?
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
As for the rest MAGONSDAUGHTER, smarter people than I will have to suggest adopting different ways of doing things based on other countries. I am not against it, but I am also not versed enough on the intricacies of the way other countries do things. Best I do not preach to extensively and suggest we emulate them, as too many here are fond of doing. I know of many things in this country that are not as they seem when seen through the eyes of someone from elsewhere. I don’t know where you are from but I know here. I have enough background learned from life’s experiences and though our education system to make sound judgments on the goings-on in this country, and what would go a long way to fixing our ills.
Just my opinions of course. But they are sound.
si shen
I was giving examples of what other countries do to demonstrate different models exist that are not 'communist' as you claimed in one of your contradicting posts.
Sometimes simply understanding that things can be done differently without 'tyranny' being fasttracked in to your lives, means that you might consider different ways of doing things.
Over the years I've had many frustrating conversations with Americans about how x y and z can't be done without a country turning into North Korea. It's like the rest of the world doesnt exist.
Or it exists like this
I'm sorry, I thought I said I was open to adopting some of what other countries do but smarter people than I had to determine what was best. Did I not, or did you not read that part of my post. If you watched the video you would have noticed that I was promoting a British professors approach to schooling and he refers to Norway and other countries as models to emulate. Did I not post that, or did you just not watch it. It is 19 minutes long but well worth it. Perhaps you should go back and look at what I said again. I don't mind if you criticize but you seem to be criticizing me for the wrong reasons. I feel like you believe that I disliked your last few posts. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Keep in mind also that a lot of what is wrong with this country is due to corrupt practices and not because the system itself is flawed. Those running it just don't get it right because of outside forces, like business and that's what needs to be addressed not the program or policy itself.
I saw the map. It suggests disappointment with us on your part to say the least. Keep in mind when you think America you are thinking the world. We have 83 different languages spoken in our school system just in the small city I am from.
si shen
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I can't follow your views, probably because they get lost in your snarks. So one minute you are having a go about being communist in response to a post and the next you are agreeing.
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Keep in mind when you think America you are thinking the world.
No, that was the point of the map. You are NOT the sum of the world, no matter how many languages are spoken there, which BTW, is not a unique feature of the US.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I can't follow your views, probably because they get lost in your snarks. So one minute you are having a go about being communist in response to a post and the next you are agreeing.Quote:
Keep in mind when you think America you are thinking the world.
No, that was the point of the map. You are NOT the sum of the world, no matter how many languages are spoken there, which BTW, is not a unique feature of the US.
Why would you be surprised by my assuming you meant some form of communism when you suggested we look at how other countries operate? I just spent the last two days arguing with two about that very topic? Let it go.
On changing our economy by emulating what Finland does with taxing oil. I want to create the energy sources of the future. Oil will be gone in 35, 40 years. Taxing oil is a short term solution. Yes let’s do it some but let’s clean up some of the bullshit in this country for a long term solution as we look forward. By the by, if you think the Middle East is a mess now, just wait.
You suggest we look to Singapore. It has only 5 million people. It runs a parliamentary system set up by the British. They say it is not full of corruption but watch what you say because they frown upon free speech. It is an island and is a major port of call. It’s pretty hard to do poorly under those conditions.
Eric Clapton is retiring from touring and one of his complaints is the rest of the world is becoming just another version of America. His words not mine, and his has been touring the world for 40 years. The problems we Americans have with the rest of the world is the name tag arrogant that you immediately pin on us. I’m sure the rest of the world would not appreciate being labeled with an inferiority complex.
How about I just suggest we got off to a bad start?
si shen
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Why would you be surprised by my assuming you meant some form of communism when you suggested we look at how other countries operate? I just spent the last two days arguing with two about that very topic? Let it go.
Because saying this:
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No it's not. It's called communism.
in response to my rather mild post is a snark pure and simple. It's pretty much the same as if I called you a fascist because your views sounded right winged. You weren't trying to have a reasoned response, so why pretend that you were.
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On changing our economy by emulating what Finland does with taxing oil.
It was Norway actually, but carry on.
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I want to create the energy sources of the future. Oil will be gone in 35, 40 years. Taxing oil is a short term solution. Yes let’s do it some but let’s clean up some of the bullshit in this country for a long term solution as we look forward. By the by, if you think the Middle East is a mess now, just wait.
The Norway solution is to tax primary industries such as oil and natural gas and invest the profit in what is basically a soverign pension fund. That investment is a long term solution for funding public expenditure. It's a better system than inviduals who own mining companies making squillions out of a non renewable resource.
It's not the only solution and it certainly would be sensible for there to be investment renewable energy sources. What makes you think that I am not a fan of renewable energy solutions.
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You suggest we look to Singapore. It has only 5 million people. It runs a parliamentary system set up by the British. They say it is not full of corruption but watch what you say because they frown upon free speech. It is an island and is a major port of call. It’s pretty hard to do poorly under those conditions.
I suggested you looked at Singapore to find a country that had government ownership of utilities and was not communist, but a thriving bastion of capitalist wealth. So that you can see that things are not black and white. Not as an example of what you should do or become. I'm not a fan of the lack of freedom of speech in that country, but you cant deny that it's thriving. It (and China) demonstrate that the capacity to make profit does not guarantee personal freedom.
I too live under a parliamentary system of government set up by the British. What was your point regarding that? It's actually one of the most stable forms of government in the world.
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Eric Clapton is retiring from touring and one of his complaints is the rest of the world is becoming just another version of America. His words not mine, and his has been touring the world for 40 years. The problems we Americans have with the rest of the world is the name tag arrogant that you immediately pin on us. I’m sure the rest of the world would not appreciate being labeled with an inferiority complex.
I'm not labelling anything on America, I'm describing how you apparently see the world. Black and white. Good vs Bad. Communism vs Capitalism. I've been attempting to show you a few grey zones.
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How about I just suggest we got off to a bad start?
Possibly. I'm not convinced that you're not something of a troll here as you seem to like to provoke rather than discuss and your views are all over the place. I'm happy however to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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I was quick with the communism statement but as I said, I had been arguing two days or more with two whose approach was little else but fantasy and socialism.
Sorry for that but I have posted much in response to you since then that if read should have shown I was being polite and responsive to your posts.
I feel now I have to point out your suggestions from the get go, are about changing our government,( to a parliamentary system ) or raising the tax rates expeditiously to levels not going to be accepted in this country. Therefor they are useless to extrapolate about. If I was a troll I would have pointed that out first off and not been polite about it. Instead I tried to find common ground. I guess I did a poor job of that. I tried because I found your responses, aside from the fact that you could not let the communism statement go, insightful and mostly void of maliciousness.
si shen
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Strange, I've actually never made suggestions for what your country should do, just point out some alternatives to pure capitalism. If anything, I'm thinking about these changes for my country. However, in order to implement any of the suggestions regarding education, investing tax on natural resources, government ownership of utilities, we'll possibly have to wait until Rupert Murdoch is dead and the dominant paradigm around thses issues shifts.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Keep in mind when you think America you are thinking the world. We have 83 different languages spoken in our school system just in the small city I am from.
Wow. Delusions of grandeur?
I regret that I have not had enough time to peruse MDs comments here because she seems to have some good points.
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One more time Magonsdaughter. You jumped into the middle of what became a heat debate by the fourth page and posted this:
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I've always been in favour of governments being able to own resources and utilities. There is no reason why governments shouldn't make a profit and redestribute that as infrastructure spending. That means for resource rich countries that funding for education, healthcare, care of the elderly could be pretty much funded by resource profit and that individual taxpayers would not have to bear such a burden, plus you don't have to rely on user pays systems.
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You can accomplish the same thing by ending corporate welfare and expanding the tax base once again.
I am trying to suggest to you ways of getting the same results without changing our system to where government gets involved in owing and running profit gaining businesses. Why, because that is a very big change of policy here that is improbable.
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Yeah, you can accomplish it in a number of ways, but having control over natural resources and being able to reap the profit from natural resources as a people is a good idea.
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No it's not. It's called communism.
What I should have said is it resembles socialism which strikes a chord with half the country to such an extent they see it where is does not exist. So that suggestion too is highly improbable. And when you read the definition of socialism out of Merriam Webster which I site below you see I was right. If you look up communism it even lists owning resources such as oil. So, I was not wrong in what I said about it being a form of communism. Yet I still apologized for it to clear the way for you to continue.
Socialism; any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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Strange, I've actually never made suggestions for what your country should do, just point out some alternatives to pure capitalism. If anything, I'm thinking about these changes for my country. However, in order to implement any of the suggestions regarding education, investing tax on natural resources, government ownership of utilities, we'll possibly have to wait until Rupert Murdoch is dead and the dominant paradigm around thses issues shifts.
Everything from your fist post on has been a suggested alternative so I don’t quite understand your last post here. I now know you are from England due to the Rupert Murdoch comment. Yes we are all stuck with such shall I say, colorful people.
P.S. if you watched or are familiar with Sir Ken Robinson please let me know if you enjoyed the video. I am curious to hear your opinion.
si shen
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