UKRAINE'S BLOODIEST DAY: YET TO COME

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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SIGNYM

Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:52 PM

As I've been saying for many posts now, Yanukovych has support. He is in the Russian-speaking southeast of the Ukraine, rounding up support. Civil war may be the next step. The Ukraine may be split in two. I think this was the goal of the west all along.

Leaked American phone call, picking and choosing among future Ukrainian leaders:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-vict
oria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video

Detailed analysis. "Klitschko... his residence is in Germany. He pays taxes in Germany. He represents German interests" (18:35)
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/hwdvideoshare/viewvideo/77461?utm_
source=Email+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4376113beb-140222_Venezuela_Protests&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_44bc741bc4-4376113beb-80946065&goal=0_44bc741bc4-4376113beb-80946065

So now the question is: Will Russia get involved militarily? Will NATO?

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For context, this is most like the conflict between Georgia and S Ossetia. Russians invaded Georgia, and there was a huge discussion on this board as to "who started it". The western press widely reported that it was an unprovoked invasion. But when the facts came out (many months later) it turns out that Georgia had fired missiles into S Ossetia first.

As you may recall, McCain cosied up to the Georgians then too, before the violence. Let's see... McCain cozied up to Georgian aggressors, to Al Qaida in Syria, and to the neo-Nazi opposition leader Tahyanybok in the Ukraine. Three strikes, you're out?

McCain and Tahyanybok (right)

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:45 AM

Siggy, I already posted the leaked call prettymuch in it's entirety here.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57545&mid=9
63683#963683

Pretty damning stuff, actually - and once again using our embassy as a C3 center in an attempt to topple the Gov of the country it is in, which worked out SOOOO WELL in Libya, which is still, quite noticeably, a clusterfuck.

Not to mention doin that kinda revokes any diplomatic protections or niceties and tends to encourage the locals to sack the damn place - which'd of course lead to more rightwingnuts screaming a fit, just like any other bully does when some would-be victim kicks em in the balls.

Basically, what happened in Libya, all over again, cause the neocons (who this whole push is sponsored by) never once fail to double down on stupid.

IMHO, Nuland and Pyatt should be immediately recalled, stripped of their positions and thrown in prison to await trial for these crimes.

-Frem

WHOZIT

Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:16 AM

Um...Barry is the Prez right? This mess is his right? Why you libs bringing McCain into this? Ya don't want Barrry or his whores any where near this? Barry has nothing to do this?

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:19 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
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Um...Barry is the Prez right? This mess is his right? Why you libs bringing McCain into this? Ya don't want Barrry or his whores any where near this? Barry has nothing to do this?

Whether it's the IRS, the Justice Dept., the State Dept., the HHS Obamacare squad, or anyone else in his administration, Obama has no knowledge whatsoever of anything going on. He's the most isolated and insulated man since the Teflon Don, John Gotti. But unlike Gotti, Obama's never late for his tee time, and he always wears a safety helmet when riding his bicycle.

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:05 AM

Oh, this is definitely Obama's mess. Syria, Libya, and the Ukraine should be laid at his feet. (And for all you pro-Obama liberals out there, you should look really long and hard at what Obama's been doing, and stop listening to his weasel-words. Obama's a neo-con.)

It's just amazing to me that McCain has had, over the years, such an unerring nose for assholes with which to have a photo-op.

GEEZER

Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Civil war may be the next step. The Ukraine may be split in two. I think this was the goal of the west all along.

So how does a civil war in Ukraine benefit the evil "West"? Seems like it would benefit Russia more, as that would give them an excuse to intervene militarily, and either put a puppet regime in place or intimidate the population into toeing the Russian line. They did it before in Georgia.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:31 PM

I know some of you baulk at the sight of the word "Socialist", and this is a few days old now, but it is a good background perspective and worth reading;

http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/6666

GEEZER

Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I know some of you baulk at the sight of the word "Socialist", and this is a few days old now, but it is a good background perspective and worth reading;

http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/6666

Once you get past the "imperialists", "oligarchs", "workers must rise" and such, it is pretty interesting.

Strangely enough, the "Rioters supported by the West" meme doesn't come up.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

WHOZIT

Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, this is definitely Obama's mess. Syria, Libya, and the Ukraine should be laid at his feet. (And for all you pro-Obama liberals out there, you should look really long and hard at what Obama's been doing, and stop listening to his weasel-words. Obama's a neo-con.)

It's just amazing to me that McCain has had, over the years, such an unerring nose for assholes with which to have a photo-op.

The fact is we're in year 6 of Barry's rule, not year 13 of Bush's. Clinton and Kerry are the ones to be pointing fingers at.

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:13 PM

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Clinton and Kerry are the ones to be pointing fingers at.

Perhaps you don't know how to read? I did that, in this thread. Scroll up, I'm sure you'll find it. Or maybe you won't, it's a little hard to tell about your capabilities sometimes!

Also, it IS possible to talk about more than one person in a thread! I talked about Obama. I talked about McCain. Just because I talked about McCain doesn't make my criticism of Obama any less true.

McCain was mentioned in a different context- not as Commander in Chief with an 6-year history of (NOTE TO LIBERALS) wantonly destroying nations, but as Senator with a 7-year history of photobombing unsavory people. The fact that he's managed to photo-op with truly terrible people so unerringly is just... remarkable. So I remarked on it.

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