In case anyone's interested, Venezuela is waging war on its students...
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Too bad this story has been shoved aside by the goings on over in Ukraine.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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GEEZER
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Yes, BEWARE! Because IT'S RT!!! And NOBODY knows how to read media coverage without a shitscreen!!!!signy
When you cite them to support your points, it seems apparent that some folks don't.-geezer
Oh, you mean... you???
That's why I cite other sites that have the same info- WSJ, zerohedge, Guardian or whomever. Quite often, the information is rather widely distributed but sometimes I just grab the nearest convenient link. Fortunately, it doesn't make the information any less valuable (except to propagandized tools who don't really want to know what's going on, but simply want to push their propaganda).
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5) What are our (USA) politician's geopolitical and corporate interests, and how are they spinning this in our media?-signy
Interesting that to you no other government has geopolitical or corporate interests. -geezer
Um, not. That's why I suggested to look for "government and/or corporate/banking supporters" on BOTH sides.
Quote:If you read carefully, you'll see that my argument is entirely symmetric- I suggest that you look for the hidden interests on BOTH sides. But yanno, you read my post- not all that carefully- and the top of your head blew off.
1) Who is on one side, and what are they fighting for? What percent of the population do they represent?
2) Who are their governmental and/or corporate/banking supporters?-signy
Quote:See the underline to help you interpret WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE. "Freedom" is a word used by MANY sides -including ours- to cover a multitude of sins. Now, I have no influence over what "other sides" do, but as a voting American citizen with (presumably) the "freedom" of speech, I CAN speak about what WE have done.
Be extremely cautious when the words "freedom", "freedom fighter", and "rebel" appear in our coverage. Those words are very powerful, and they have been used too many times to whip up support/ cover a multitude of sins. I can't emphasize this enough. I have never... and I mean NEVER.... as in, I literally can't think of a single intervention that we supported that was for "freedom"... seen those words mean what they're supposed to mean. Maybe in WW2, but that war is long gone.=signy
Not Castro? Not Che? Not all the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Socialists that started as freedom fighters and ended as "President for Life"? -geezer
My point is that when EVERYONE is using the word "freedom" (but we have the military to make our point felt over much more of the world), then you- as a reader- have to start to decide what it is that's important TO YOU. What does "freedom" really mean- if anything? If it's not freedom that's being fought over, what are the two sides really trying to do? And what do you really support?
Critical thinking is important.
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Boy, right on cure: Entirely biased "reporting" from CNN which kinda makes my points for me-
From flames to fiery opposition, protests rock Ukraine, Venezuela, Thailand
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/world-protests-explainer/index.htm
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If you scan this article - no need to read it carefully- you'll see that they miss roughly four of the six questions that need to be answered in any conflict situation. Significantly, they only cover ONE SIDE. That is part of a pattern of media reporting which- rather than providing you with information, pushes you immediately taking sides. (One side "good", the other side "bad").
The media did this with Iraq, and more recently did this with Libya and Syria.
In the Syrian situation, fortunately for me, I happened to have been working with a Syrian Xtian at the time the Syrian conflict boiled up. When I rather hesitantly asked if he and his family supported the "rebels", he looked... horrified. Shocked and horrified. Because Assad, coming from a minority Shia background, was very protective of all other Syrian minorities including Christians, Jews, and Druze. ALL minorities were terrified of the possibility that a "rebel" Sunni government would take power. And now there are radical Sunni jihadists (al Qaida), operating in Syria and supported with guns and money by Saudi Arabia, and indirectly by Israel and the USA. Kind of a fucked-up situation, no?
I wanted to mention Thailand specifically. We get no press about Thailand, but... I know someone who knows a reporter who knows someone in Thailand. Like all conflicts, there's ANOTHER SIDE to the story: In this case, the side that isn't being reported on. There is plenty of support for the Thai government, in the rural farming villages of Thailand. The "rebels" against the government are city-dwellers who accuse the former and current government of "corruption"... but, I have nto been able to find details of exactly what that was.
It turns out that the former government's major sin was to set up a government program buying rice from farming villages at a high price, and to pass a minimum wage law that would guarantee a living for factory-workers. Also, he set up medical clinics in the countryside. The people who are objecting are factory-owners, who had no problem shooting dissenters thru the head by sniper-fire. (This is the part that I got personally, but it has been reported in Asian press). giburu Thailand+ red village if you want to know more.
When I bang authentic information against the lamestream press, it shocks me sometimes how twisted the reporting is on this side. I still get taken in sometimes, and I think I have a pretty good shitscreen in place! But the brazenness just takes my breath away at times.
The point being: don't take sides until you KNOW what's going on. Maybe that means you NEVER take sides. That's OK- sometimes, no "side" is worth supporting.
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http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10377
Unlike What the Media Says or Implies, the Violence in Venezuela Is Being Perpetrated by the Opposition
The slant of the Venezuelan private media and the international media on what is happening in Venezuela is clear: The government is responsible for the violence. In the first place government-ordered gunmen are shooting at pacific demonstrators and the violence generated by the opposition is just a response to the brutality of police and military forces. But there is considerable evidence that shows that the violence, including that of unidentified motorcyclists against the demonstrators, is being carried out by the opposition. Consider the following:
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FROM THE LINKED ARTICLE
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On April 11, 2002, the day Chávez was overthrown, the Venezuelan and international media and the White House used juxtaposition of images of Chavistas shooting pistols in downtown Caracas, on the one hand, and peaceful anti-government demonstrators, on the other to justify the coup. However the Irish-produced documentary “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” and other documentaries demonstrated by the flow of the camera that the demonstrators were far away from the Chavistas and that they were shooting in response to sniper fire against them. If snipers were responsible for the 15-20 killings (of opposition demonstrators along with Chavistas) that justified the coup of April 2002, is there any reason to doubt that the unidentified individuals who are attacking demonstrators are not acting on behalf of sectors of the opposition?
This is the part I remember very clearly. Most of all, that the dead were killed by SNIPER FIRE, not by panicky police over overreacting military. I recall one scene specifically... a middle-aged woman in a yellow T-shirt, standing at least 100 feet from a group of rioters, watching the mayhem. SHE was killed by a sniper's headshot.
Most people have no idea how absolutely filtered their news is.
Events being misrepresented, not by a little but a whole lot: entirely fabricated, or edited to appear exactly opposite of what really happened. The distortion is at times so extreme it beggars the imagination; you can't even credit sometimes how fantastical the media coverage is because you would think... They can't possibly DO THAT, can they???.
But they can, and they do. Colin Powell's Iraq WMD presentation, the implied linkage between Saddam and 9-11, the babies ripped from incubators (in the previous Iraq invasion), the Venezuelan riots of 2002.... everything was the opposite of how it was represented in the press, at times not just heavily edited and biased but totally fabricated. So, yeah... they CAN and they DO.
Go take a swim in our news coverage, but make sure you have a good shitscreen installed before you go. And for balance, head on over to other websites- those that are likely to have alternate coverage. I'm gone to the Straits Times, zerohedge, RT (yes, it's Russian), CCTV (yes, it's Communist Chinese TV), even the major Tehran newspaper.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10377
Unlike What the Media Says or Implies, the Violence in Venezuela Is Being Perpetrated by the Opposition
The slant of the Venezuelan private media and the international media on what is happening in Venezuela is clear: The government is responsible for the violence. In the first place government-ordered gunmen are shooting at pacific demonstrators and the violence generated by the opposition is just a response to the brutality of police and military forces. But there is considerable evidence that shows that the violence, including that of unidentified motorcyclists against the demonstrators, is being carried out by the opposition. Consider the following:
Following your rules, let's look at who's behind venezuelanalysis.com
That'd be Aporrea.org.
Here's their "about" section, translated.
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Aporrea.org is a Web site for the dissemination of news and opinion, socio-political and cultural, identified with the process of revolutionary and democratic transformation of our country, Venezuela, with a vision that is extrapolated to the rest of humanity, in the prospect of the settlement of the historical subjugation and build free societies, based on the power of the workers and the people, without exploitation of man by man.
Aporrea.org is a popular alternative news agency, the people's movement and the workers open and interactive digital billboard. It is a means of expression, information, debate and dissemination of contents of collective interest, mainly political, social, economic and cultural promotion. It has also become an instrument of "social intelligence".
We are a medium for debate, denunciation and the generation of ideas, with a view to the construction of the socialism of the 21st century. We seek to break through media imposed by private communication media committed to the coup and counterrevolutionary conspiracy in Venezuela, manifestation of imperialist globalization, against which we fight together with the other peoples of the world.
Per Wikipedia (also translated), "American Revolutionary Popular Assembly or Club is a Venezuelan partner related news portal -political and cultural information explained from the point of view of the supporters of the President of Venezuela Hugo Chávez and the Bolivarian revolution."
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aporrea.org
So not exactly "Fair and Balanced", eh?
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Yeah, and cross-compare the sources and see what they're saying, what matches and what doesn't - this'll soon show you that 90% of American "news" is the same fucking copy/pasted propaganda press release repeated a million times without so much as a grammar and spelling check, much less a fact check.
That said, here's an introduction to the fuckhead the American Black Bag Boys wanna prop up, so that we can loot their country unhindered in exchange for keeping his ass in power.
Meet Venezuela's Opposition Leader: Front Man for the Oligarchs Sidelined by Hugo Chavez
http://www.alternet.org/world/meet-venezuelas-opposition-leader?paging
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So far, US and international media has generally portrayed Lopez as an outspoken “maverick,”alluding only in passing to his oligarchic pedigree and hardline right-wing politics. Lopez has been involved in coup attempts that aimed to oust Hugo Chavez since the late president was first elected. Lopez’s leadership of the current round of protests after a hard fought election won by Chavez’s successor, President Nicolas Maduro, appears to be an extension of those efforts.
I wrote about Lopez in my investigation of Thor Halvorssen and his Potemkin Village-like Human Rights Foundation. Halvorssen is a former right-wing campus activist who has leveraged his fortune to establish a political empire advancing a transparently neoconservative agenda behind the patina of human rights.
Among Halvorssen’s main PR megaphones is Buzzfeed, whose correspondent Rosie Gray flew to Oslo in 2013 to write a fawning profile of him and his Oslo Freedom Forum. (Gray has not disclosed whether Halvorssen covered her travel expenses or provided her with resources like food and lodging). Michael Moynihan, another writer who was flown to Oslo to participate in Halvorssen’s confab, published an editorial in the Daily Beast this week praising “the handsome, telegenic, and Harvard-trained Leopoldo Lopez” and slamming President Nicolas Maduro as “Mussolini-on-the-piazza.” The Daily Beast followed up with a translated version of the dramatic and carefully staged speech Lopez delivered before he turned himself in to Venezuelan authorities, which Halvorssen promptly promoted on Twitter.
Besides being the son of a CIA asset who channeled money from Venezuelan oligarchs to the Nicaraguan Contras, Halvorssen happens to be Lopez’s first cousin — Leopoldo is the son of Thor’s oil executive aunt. Through his human rights apparatus, he has played a critical role in marketing Lopez to an international audience.
And I think we all know by now I hold a pretty bitter grudge about that mess, Halvorssen is a scumbag and no mistake, but it's more *personal* than that, with me...
And as soon as HIS name popped up in this, it became obvious what was going on.
-Frem
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It's in this documentary. Go to 32:50.
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Quote:Not exactly wrong, either.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10377
Unlike What the Media Says or Implies, the Violence in Venezuela Is Being Perpetrated by the Opposition
The slant of the Venezuelan private media and the international media on what is happening in Venezuela is clear: The government is responsible for the violence. In the first place government-ordered gunmen are shooting at pacific demonstrators and the violence generated by the opposition is just a response to the brutality of police and military forces. But there is considerable evidence that shows that the violence, including that of unidentified motorcyclists against the demonstrators, is being carried out by the opposition. Consider the following:
Following your rules, let's look at who's behind venezuelanalysis.com
That'd be Aporrea.org.
Here's their "about" section, translated.Quote:
Aporrea.org is a Web site for the dissemination of news and opinion, socio-political and cultural, identified with the process of revolutionary and democratic transformation of our country, Venezuela, with a vision that is extrapolated to the rest of humanity, in the prospect of the settlement of the historical subjugation and build free societies, based on the power of the workers and the people, without exploitation of man by man.
Aporrea.org is a popular alternative news agency, the people's movement and the workers open and interactive digital billboard. It is a means of expression, information, debate and dissemination of contents of collective interest, mainly political, social, economic and cultural promotion. It has also become an instrument of "social intelligence".
We are a medium for debate, denunciation and the generation of ideas, with a view to the construction of the socialism of the 21st century. We seek to break through media imposed by private communication media committed to the coup and counterrevolutionary conspiracy in Venezuela, manifestation of imperialist globalization, against which we fight together with the other peoples of the world.
Per Wikipedia (also translated), "American Revolutionary Popular Assembly or Club is a Venezuelan partner related news portal -political and cultural information explained from the point of view of the supporters of the President of Venezuela Hugo Chávez and the Bolivarian revolution."
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aporrea.org
So not exactly "Fair and Balanced", eh?
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Quote:GEEZER, is your fist name Dick?
So not exactly "Fair and Balanced", eh?
I'm not claiming that anyone's media is fair and balanced. But it's like food: you need a wide variety to get all of your essential minerals and vitamins and phytonutrients. The reason why I caution people about western media is because it's EASY to see the bias in foreign media. The outlook is strange, the concerns are different, the focus isn't where we expect it to be. But we're so used to western media that a lot of things are easily accepted, even when they shouldn't be.
CRITICAL THINKING: Learn to use it.
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