What Will It Take for Us to Get Back to Being a Decent Society?
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Quote:But there are millions of poor people that can't work. Work in exchange for goods in a moneyless transaction is not touching those people. They get nothing from that idealized arrangement.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:No, they don't need money.
That is no way to run a country. I've seen this kind of Henry David Thoreau advice before. Do a search at Amazon for all the books titled "How Much is Enough?" It is great for people with money volunteering to live poor; it improves their souls and clarifies their minds. But it doesn't help real poor people. They need incomes and jobs. Or put more crudely: Money. One way to make that happen was having World War II. There are now other ways, less destructive.
The world is awash with money. And yet, while people need to be educated and healed, and homes need to be built, and land needs to be farmed and environments need to be remediated and population growth needs to be tamed... why is there unemployment?
What people NEED is some technology to make their lives more productive and less brutally hard. They need food. They need houses. They need education. They need a source of power. Money isn't necessary to obtain those things. You really only need work, and maybe some helpful tools.
That is the difference between exchange value (money) and use value (goods).
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Oh, bullshit. Sop whining. Your taxes have neither gone up nor down under Obama. They're just the same as under Bush, so all you're reflecting is your own irrational (race-based) hatred of a single person.
I'd still be there if Obama and company didn't keep taking from me. When the govt comes and takes the fruits of everyone, and tells us " it's for the greater good ", I don't trust the govt.
As far as YOU'RE concerned, the government should get out of money-printing business. Get out of the business of protecting copyrights and patents. Stop negotiating international trade deals. Stop insuring banks or maintaining roads or educating the workers of tomorrow or investing in blue-sky research. Should have never "subdued" the Natives, or toppled reformist governments elsewhere. In other words, allow EVERYONE the ability of make it on their own, without government interference.
Correct?
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Rush Limbaugh is a blue pill addict.
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore
Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.
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Quote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Rush Limbaugh is a blue pill addict.
Do you mean oxycontin
Or viagra?
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Quote:Do you mean can't work ... as in: too young, too sick, or too old?
But there are millions of poor people that can't work. Work in exchange for goods in a moneyless transaction is not touching those people. They get nothing from that idealized arrangement.
Or do you mean Can't find work for a wage that will ensure survival?
I need clarification before I can respond to that point because I don't understand what you're saying.
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I'd still be there if Obama and company didn't keep taking from me. When the govt comes and takes the fruits of everyone, and tells us " it's for the greater good ", I don't trust the govt.- rappy
Oh, bullshit. Sop whining. Your taxes have neither gone up nor down under Obama. They're just the same as under Bush, so all you're reflecting is your own irrational (race-based) hatred of a single person.
As far as YOU'RE concerned, the government should get out of money-printing business. Get out of the business of protecting copyrights and patents. Stop negotiating international trade deals. Stop insuring banks or maintaining roads or educating the workers of tomorrow or investing in blue-sky research. Should have never "subdued" the Natives, or toppled reformist governments elsewhere. In other words, allow EVERYONE the ability of make it on their own, without government interference.
Correct?-signy
Waiting for an answer from rappy, proposer of "individual hard work" and government non-interference.
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Quote:So, you think you're Harry Reid now, and know what others pay in taxes, do you ?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Oh, bullshit. Sop whining. Your taxes have neither gone up nor down under Obama. They're just the same as under Bush, so all you're reflecting is your own irrational (race-based) hatred of a single person.
I'd still be there if Obama and company didn't keep taking from me. When the govt comes and takes the fruits of everyone, and tells us " it's for the greater good ", I don't trust the govt.
Funny.
And Obama's vast expansion of govt and inflating of our debt has ZERO to do with race. You're the gutless race baiter here.
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As far as YOU'RE concerned, the government should get out of money-printing business. Get out of the business of protecting copyrights and patents. Stop negotiating international trade deals. Stop insuring banks or maintaining roads or educating the workers of tomorrow or investing in blue-sky research. Should have never "subdued" the Natives, or toppled reformist governments elsewhere. In other words, allow EVERYONE the ability of make it on their own, without government interference.
Correct?
Nope. But keep telling other people what THEY believe, because that's all you frelling want to hear anyways.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Well, technically you can only get addicted to
oxycontin
not viagra.
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Quote:Well, since you suggested that we should be like the old west (as you saw it), where people lived and died by their own efforts and luck... not much money, no insured banks, little law, no roads. and no industry ... I thought you were making a broad-brush "get rid of government" proposal. If not, in what areas do you think a government SHOULD interfere? And why? (Gets in car to run errands and some popcorn, will be back later.)
As far as YOU'RE concerned, the government should get out of money-printing business. Get out of the business of protecting copyrights and patents. Stop negotiating international trade deals. Stop insuring banks or maintaining roads or educating the workers of tomorrow or investing in blue-sky research. Should have never "subdued" the Natives, or toppled reformist governments elsewhere. In other words, allow EVERYONE the ability of make it on their own, without government interference. Correct?- signy
Nope. But keep telling other people what THEY believe, because that's all you frelling want to hear anyways.-rappy
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Quote:I choose (A). Social Security does work well for the old, although some elderly aren't doing well today because of decisions they made 50 years back. It is too late for them to undo those mistakes by their own efforts in 2014.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Do you mean can't work ... as in: (A) too young, too sick, or too old?
But there are millions of poor people that can't work. Work in exchange for goods in a moneyless transaction is not touching those people. They get nothing from that idealized arrangement.
Or do you mean (B) Can't find work for a wage that will ensure survival?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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