An experiment on partisanship
POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Saturday, June 22, 2013 15:55
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"It's like debate class, where you have to take a position that you don't necessarily agree with?"
Well ... if it were just a matter of opinion then it would be easy. The problem is there are pesky facts.
Security? Hmmm ... after blowing off warnings he presided over one of the biggest failures in US security on 9/11. And then there was the anthrax attack as icing on the cake.
Foreign diplomacy? Got us embroiled in two foreign wars that he financed by putting them under 'emergency spending' to keep them out of the budget, using money borrowed from the Chinese.
He floated the economy on a housing bubble by forbidding states attorneys general from investigating and prosecuting fraudulent loans, which all came crashing down and is still reverberating today. BTW, you Europeans didn't help with your Basel II agreement.
Gave out tax breaks that didn't 'grow the economy'.
Between the tax breaks, the unfinanced wars, and the blown-up economy, he turned the country around from low unemployment to high and from a federal surplus to a deficit.
Allowed illegal (at the time) trap-and-trace on ALL AT&T phone calls.
Health aid to Africa came with the 'no discussion of birth control' string attached, leading to the African baby boom we're seeing today. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/12/13/80331/bush-birth-control-policie
s-helped.html
There was the debacle of the Federal response to Katrina.
And so on.
I would happily argue why he was a great, or just a good, or at least an all right president. But I honestly can't think of a single thing he did that turned out well under his direction. And a lot of what he did was a disaster.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
...Right direction...?
Hehe. Right in this context means the direction you were supposed to be swaying people according to the task of the experiment.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Auraptor, you're using this as an opportunity to say there's only thing about Obama's presidency that you can approve of. That's fine.
Yep.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Asking an Anarchist not to be partisan, well that's... amusing.
While they oppose existing systems in fact and deed, on the average you don't wind up a declared Anarchist unless yer kinda rabidly partisan in that direction to begin with, which means not many of em would ever have a kind word to say about most so-called-leaders anyways, as the very nature of the power they wield is anathema to them.
-F
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Yeah, I could put together a love-of-Bush post, but it would be completely without facts and would in fact add up to nothing but mocking of the right wings support of an idiot and his Darth Vader VP.
I'm not going to bother with the effort.
I say this as someone who was not at all interested in politics until Bush jr came along. In 1999 I was quite willing to be swayed by either side. I listened with open ears, and now I cannot for the life of me come up with anything realistically compelling to support W.
I can come up with a number of things I don't like about Obama, the NSA spying being #1 at the moment. I'm as close to my 1999 state of mind as I've been since... well, since 1999. Because O screwed the pooch on this one. But this is no way an argument for the right. As wrong as Obama may be, the right is 1000 times worse. They loved this shit when W did it. They have no principles at all.
So there. You proved your point. I cannot leave my partisanship behind as long as one side is so horribly horribly out there. Man do we need a right wing that isn't 100% crazy batshit nuts!
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Man do we need a right wing that isn't 100% crazy batshit nuts!
We just need passionate, patriotic conservatives. That's all.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Man do we need a right wing that isn't 100% crazy batshit nuts!
We just need passionate, patriotic conservatives.
...who are capable of fact-based logic. Not much of that around here, and certainly there's none of it from you.
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So you want this to be sincere? Or should I just repeat the rightwing talking points?
Seriously, let me know!
Quote:You owe me a keyboard! AND a monitor!
...who are capable of fact-based logic. Not much of that around here, and certainly there's none of it from you.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Man do we need a right wing that isn't 100% crazy batshit nuts!
We just need passionate, patriotic conservatives.
...who are capable of fact-based logic. Not much of that around here, and certainly there's none of it from you.
Oh yeah, like those 'truth-some ' Lefties, huh?
Please.
Done w/ the thread jack now. I've said my piece here.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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