The white working class and Obama

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Off topic, I know, but am I the only person who's noticed how far off the rails Geezer has gone, especially after Romney's '47%' debacle? He's not even pretending to be rational anymore, let alone reasonable. And non-partisan went out the window way before that.

Us liberals/ progressives/ left-ish people are grown-up enough to heap all sorts of criticism on Obama, and even vote third party (green, anyone?). Despite being repeatedly characterized as thinking of him as our 'messiah' by the intellectual brilliance that is little rappy (and I'm being ironic here) I have yet to find evidence that any of us do that.

But for all the right-wing-nuts' claims to being wise, fair, factual, and non-partisan, I have yet to find any evidence that they are anything other than rabid, unthinking reflexive protoplasm barely outside of PN's crazyland zip code. There is something so skewed in their neurons that ordinary reality-testing doesn't seem to apply. It's a mystery.

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Well said.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Off topic, I know, but am I the only person who's noticed how far off the rails Geezer has gone, especially after Romney's '47%' debacle? He's not even pretending to be rational anymore, let alone reasonable. And non-partisan went out the window way before that.

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It seems he's coming apart faster than his beloved nutbag wing of the Teabaglican party!

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Us liberals/ progressives/ left-ish people are grown-up enough to heap all sorts of criticism on Obama, and even vote third party (green, anyone?). Despite being repeatedly characterized as thinking of him as our 'messiah' by the intellectual brilliance that is little rappy (and I'm being ironic here) I have yet to find evidence that any of us do that.

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I think I've been quite open about the fact that I won't be voting for Mr. Obama. I'm actually one of those vaunted "undecideds" you hear so much about - I can't decide between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, but neither major party will be getting my vote. I've never been one for viewing political leaders as "messiahs", sorry. Not even the Mittsiah.

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But for all the right-wing-nuts' claims to being wise, fair, factual, and non-partisan, I have yet to find any evidence that they are anything other than rabid, unthinking reflexive protoplasm barely outside of PN's crazyland zip code. There is something so skewed in their neurons that ordinary reality-testing doesn't seem to apply. It's a mystery.

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Hear hear! And it seems their Obama Derangement Syndrome is only ramping up with the upcoming election and Mitt's headlong rush to disembowel himself and commit ritual seppuku on the campaign trail.

And it can't be helping them when their leaders - Rush, O'Reilly, and others - are now saying that if Mitt the Twit can lose this election against an unpopular President with a weak economy, then conservatism itself might be dead, or at least the Republican party is finished.



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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Absolutely.

Also worth noting that they become too "busy" to post here every time their boys screw up really good. Funny, that.

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No kidding - not a word in defense of their candidate, but they can't bring themselves to criticize him, either, so instead they suddenly become too busy with their lives to pay any attention at all to politics.

And if they DO respond, it's along the lines of "nyuh-UH! Did not! Never happened! It's all lies!"



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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The segment of voters that Romney should be strongest with, Obama looks to have a fighting chance, except in the South.

That, coupled with Obama's commanding leads among women, blacks, latinos, students, and a fighting chance among the elderly ... and it's not looking great for the GOP.

There's a very good chance that the Dems will hold the Senate (about an 80% likelihood, according to Nate Silver); Vegas bookmakers agree, and say Obama's all but a sure thing.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Originally posted by kpo:

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I believe I get the point of the article, that there are a fair number of white working class people in the country who like Obama.

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No, that's not it. It's that the national statistics are skewed by the polls from the South, and if you discount them Obama is pretty much tied with Romney (who's actually white). Hence 'doing just fine' in most of the country.

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The article refers specifically to "white working people". It states that the poll it's based on shows that Romney has a nationwide 48% to 35% lead among this demographic. So although Obama is "doing just fine" among white working people, he's doing less well than Romney is nationwide. There is no way to contradict this. Saying it's skewed due to the larger percentage of folks in the South with whom Romney is "doing just fine" ignores the fact that he's also "doing just fine" more than Obama in 3 of four regions of the country, not just the South, and nationwide is "doing just fine" with 13% more white working people.

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This is all summed up at the beginning of the article, it surprises me that you could have missed it:

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John Sides points out an important result from a recent survey of the white working class: Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, don't really have a huge "white working class problem." What they have is a huge Southern problem.

The chart on the right tells the story...

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Yet again you've rushed to dismiss something from a liberal source as 'spun' for no good reason. And tomorrow you'll be lecturing other people about being biased...

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Didn't miss anything. Dismissing the fact that Obama isn't "doing just fine" with white working people in the South ignores the fact that if white working voters in the South vote as they've polled, they'll throw the white working vote to Romney.

The "chart on the right" still shows that in three of four regions of the country, Romney is "doing just fine" with more white working people than Obama is. In some places it's not much better and in one it's much better. Still, overall, 48% to 35% is 13% better in the white working demographic.

You seem to think that I'm waving the flag for Romney. Nothing could be farther from the truth. However, the Mother Jones article is spun to make it seem that Obama has a lot of support among the white working class when the very statistics it is based on show that he has 13% less support among that demographic than Romney. That's all I'm saying. If you have any data that shows Obama having more support among white working people nationwide, let me know.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Off topic, I know, but am I the only person who's noticed how far off the rails Geezer has gone, especially after Romney's '47%' debacle? He's not even pretending to be rational anymore, let alone reasonable. And non-partisan went out the window way before that.

Us liberals/ progressives/ left-ish people are grown-up enough to heap all sorts of criticism on Obama, and even vote third party (green, anyone?). Despite being repeatedly characterized as thinking of him as our 'messiah' by the intellectual brilliance that is little rappy (and I'm being ironic here) I have yet to find evidence that any of us do that.

But for all the right-wing-nuts' claims to being wise, fair, factual, and non-partisan, I have yet to find any evidence that they are anything other than rabid, unthinking reflexive protoplasm barely outside of PN's crazyland zip code. There is something so skewed in their neurons that ordinary reality-testing doesn't seem to apply. It's a mystery.

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Oh, Kiki, you haven't been paying attention, again, if you think I'd vote for either Romney or Obama.

Also note that although you mention that "Us liberals/ progressives/ left-ish people are grown-up enough to heap all sorts of criticism on Obama...", I don't see many threads originated by you "liberals/ progressives/ left-ish people" that actually do that. Sometimes when someone else mentions, say, drone strikes, a few folks will agree that, yes, that's kind'a bad, but seldom see you, for example, call out Obama on something. And certainly nothing like the criticism heaped on Romney.

I'm just trying to point out to the "rabid, unthinking reflexive protoplasm" on the Left that they fall into the same trap as the "rabid, unthinking reflexive protoplasm" on the Right.

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