World's richest woman wants her workers to take a pay cut

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UPDATED: Saturday, October 25, 2025 15:50
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Her bringing them into the conversation is a ruse BY HER, an attempt to try to force concessions from unions and regulators and government by holding up people far away who will work FAR AWAY for much less, purely so she can increase her own private fortune.

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Agreed, it is a ruse.

Yet, I still feel there is a legitimate concern about competitive pricing of products in the global market.

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If a coca farmer earns $2 a day in Peru, how does pointing it out help migrant workers in Arizona?

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It makes a difference if they are working on the same crops. So if those African workers are mining the same types of ores as Australian ones, then yes one influences the other.

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Again I point out that chasing cheap wages all around the globe doesn't help anyone except the corporations and their owners.

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We have no argument here. I am NOT in favor of chasing cheap wages around the globe. So you're preaching to the choir here.

I am saying we can't IGNORE the fact that there are cheap wages around the globe. It is a very real problem that needs to be addressed intelligently and compassionately.

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"Yet, I still feel there is a legitimate concern about competitive pricing of products in the global market." No, your concern was about global WAGES. -see quotes below- Odd that you should lie about your own arguments.

"I am NOT in favor of chasing cheap wages around the globe." You just argue that it should be a consideration in order to 'thrive'.

"Her thrust was that Australia competes for labor on the global stage and needs to keep the competition in mind. ... It is true that such statistics need to be considered when deciding public policy. ... I am saying that any public policy that simply ignores labor competitiveness on the global level will not thrive."

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, CTS, these are your comments which you made BEFORE you had all the information, something you derided other people for doing. Which of these straw-man arguments, inaccurate conclusions, outright lies and ad hominem attacks that you posted do you still support?


> Actually, what she said was African workers willing to work for $2 a day make her worry for her country's future. - here you are arguing from incomplete information, something you freely criticize others for doing, and also assuming that the papers were doing so as well. You failed to consider that not only the papers but the country could have had access to the entire video.

> Her thrust was that Australia competes for labor on the global stage and needs to keep the competition in mind. - her statements were not nearly as neutral as you restated them to be, you are creating a strawman argument

> It is true that such statistics need to be considered when deciding public policy. - this is YOUR CONCLUSION, something which YOU STATE AS FACT but haven't proven

> I am saying her quotations have been mischaracterized - strawman argument, you are arguing against a position no one took

> to serve some ideological agenda. - ad hominem

> I happen to agree with said ideological agenda - stated as fact, no indication of how

> but I won't lie about what people say to achieve my agenda - implied ad hominem, strawman, and by accepting incomplete information and repeating it you yourself are lying about what was actually said

> I am saying that any public policy that simply ignores labor competitiveness on the global level will not thrive. - not true, China did quite well by concentrating on internal markets and developing internal resources for decades

> Public policy must give companies some incentive for paying higher wages to local workers and not outsourcing the labor. - so here you ARE supporting her arguments, the arguments you say she didn't make

> Simply demonizing them as "selfish" isn't going to work. - you argue consistently that she should have the right to say what she wants and would restrict the rights of others to say what they want

> Again, I don't think that is what she said at all. - arguing from incomplete information, the same thing you accuse others of doing

> We can argue against what she actually said without resorting to strawmen and adhominems. - something you have failed to do

> If we start arguing dishonestly - ad hominem

> what are we really doing here? Masturbating in public to some fantasy porno in our heads? - ad hominem

> Again, that is NOT what she's saying. - stated as fact with no indication of how it's wrong, and based on incomplete information

> She has never said in that link that I could find that Australia needs to become more like Africa in wages. - it was the logical conclusion of her argument, an argument you accept and ven support (see above) while at the same time you claim it doesn't exist

> Why do you insist on mischaracterizing her statements? - why do you?

> But the method here is wrong. - no proof, strawman

> And without integrity. - ad hominem

> You guys are better than that. - ad hominem

> It sounds like a conversation about some fantasy you guys have concocted in your heads about her statement, as opposed to what her statement really says. - ad hominem

> And then getting off on that fantasy. - ad hominem

> Cause if the mines are in Australia, it doesn't matter how many Africans are willing to work for $2/day, if they can't physically get to the mines, does it? - strawman

> So, no, I don't think she is suggesting that Australians be paid $2, because they have no global labor competition in the Australian mines. as opposed to your previous argument Public policy must give companies some incentive for paying higher wages to local workers and not outsourcing the labor.

> ... the

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