Deep Thoughts.....

POSTED BY: Wishimay
UPDATED: Monday, July 16, 2012 21:50
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ECGORDON

Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:49 AM

Well, you can call me a dirty old man if you want, but I have a few cousins I wish weren't my cousins.

JO753

Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:16 AM

Wut about Liz Taylor? And wuts rong with your genez?

I dont know a bunch about genetics, but I know that its wen close inbreeding continuez for multiple generationz that defects start to become common. Dogz are a good example.

I think our history iz much more complicated than geneticists know now. I'm partial to the idea that there iz an intelligence in control uv life on the planet and it created us for a reazon. More uv a Gia than the biblical God.

The main bit uv evidence I hav iz the relative simplicity and obvious advantage uv human level or greater intelligence failing to happen for a haf billion or so yirz.

(Two, your posts run past the edge uv the colum. Are you writing sumwer else & pasting it?)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
And wuts rong with your genez?

(Two, your posts run past the edge uv the colum. Are you writing sumwer else & pasting it?)

A better question might be "What isn't?" You name a system on me there's something not quite right about it. I am the living embodiement of "Youth is NO indication of health." Just getting over pneumonia now, again...

And yes, I think when it runs off the page they are pasting from other places, but soo many are so used to doing that....I just hit "reply with quote" and I can see the whole post if I really need to see what they're saying, most of the time I just guess and ignore it

JO753

Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:02 PM

Sorry about you problemz. Are you sure its entirely genetic? All sorts uv stuff iz really genetic traits + environmental factorz (mostly food).

The biggest general health debilitatorz I've heard uv over the last 30 yirz are hydrogenated oil and amalgam fillingz.

For most people, hydrogenated oil only slowly clogz up their arteryz and killz them wen they are starting to get old (over 50). But sum people hav a dispozition that amplifyz the effect and may also include other bad effects.

Back in the 80z the fact that dental amalgamz are compozed uv 50% mercury came out. Big scandal that the ADA worked hard to sweep under the rug. I saw many storyz about people who suddenly developed serious health problemz after getting cavityz filled. I recall a young woman who ended up crippled in a weel chair, told she had 6 months left to liv, had seen duzenz uv specialists who couldnt figure out why she wuz so sick.

Then her frend mentiond fillingz. She knew rite away then bekuz all her trouble started after she got sumthing like 10 fillingz. She had them all replaced with compozit fillingz and recovered completely.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

DEVERSE

Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:57 PM

Consider that you had two parents. Your spouse had two parents. There are you and your spouse (2) and Parents (4). But your parents and your spouse's parents had two parents each as well. That's 16 people. Do the math and it doesn't take long to realize that, especially if family lines are from the same origin (ie: anglo saxon), that somewhere, someone has married into the family.

Mathematically, someone is married to a relation every 13 generations. Not exactly close relations, but the person is related.

Considering just parents and one offspring - at 13 generations (based upon 25 years/generation) you have ~12,000 relatives with about ~9000 still alive. At 20 generations, that's ~1.5 million relatives and ~1 million still alive in about 500 years. At 40 generations (1000 years) that's about a trillion ancestors still alive and ~1.5 trillion ancestors in total.

Whoops! Not a trillion people on the earth and we know that not too many families are just 1 child. North America and Europe are generally about 2.3 children now with larger numbers in the past. So where are the extra people?

Well, if you could identify every single person in your family tree, you would find any number of ancestors, and as close as a few few hundred years ago, would show up time and time again in the family tree. So there has been a touch of inbreeding. The mathematics involved makes it obvious that we are all the products of inbreeding.

The good news? I'm happy to report that you are related to Royalty, somewhere along the family tree.

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face
With stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space
To be where I have been

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Consider that you had two parents. Your spouse had two parents. There are you and your spouse (2) and Parents (4). But your parents and your spouse's parents had two parents each as well. That's 16 people. Do the math and it doesn't take long to realize that, especially if family lines are from the same origin (ie: anglo saxon), that somewhere, someone has married into the family.

Mathematically, someone is married to a relation every 13 generations. Not exactly close relations, but the person is related.

Considering just parents and one offspring - at 13 generations (based upon 25 years/generation) you have ~12,000 relatives with about ~9000 still alive. At 20 generations, that's ~1.5 million relatives and ~1 million still alive in about 500 years. At 40 generations (1000 years) that's about a trillion ancestors still alive and ~1.5 trillion ancestors in total.

Whoops! Not a trillion people on the earth and we know that not too many families are just 1 child. North America and Europe are generally about 2.3 children now with larger numbers in the past. So where are the extra people?

Well, if you could identify every single person in your family tree, you would find any number of ancestors, and as close as a few few hundred years ago, would show up time and time again in the family tree. So there has been a touch of inbreeding. The mathematics involved makes it obvious that we are all the products of inbreeding.

The good news? I'm happy to report that you are related to Royalty, somewhere along the family tree.

Oh, that's just funny. Not only did I do the same math, but I even went so far as to calculate current birth and abortion rates into it(was going to do approximate losses due to wars, plague, and known natural disasers, but....), I just didn't want to admit to it, but so long as we're both going there ....
Any way you look at it, it's not pretty...
And somehow, being related to people who think God gave them authority to tell others what to do, doesn't make looking at my DNA any better a picture. Wouldn't mind being related to Boudicca, as THAT would for sure explain a few things...

I have always had this theory that if you were to go far enough into your ancestry, you would find a person that looks very much like yourself, with only very slight differences...

ECGORDON

Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
So where are the extra people?

Wars, famine, disease, genocide. All of the above.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:34 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry about you problemz. Are you sure its entirely genetic? All sorts uv stuff iz really genetic traits + environmental factorz (mostly food).

Fairly sure...I have only one amalgam and it was done in the last ten years, and replacing it would be problematic, it's large and complicated and I don't wanna... I don't think the new kinds are much better either, I'm having one of those replaced next month, and I haven't even had it that long

I don't like going to the dentist, too much invading of personal space, and laying in one position for too long and I literally can't do that. Also, most of my problems go back several generations, and my grandpa had full dentures and it didn't help his problems any...sooo....

When I was a kid we literally lived offa what we grew, free range chickens, deer, and our garden. Didn't stop me from being allergic to every other damn thing. (Cats, mold, pollen, bees, dust, oxy. ) I hear so many people complain about weight causing problems, but I know a couple women who have conditions like mine that weigh next to nothing and THEY aren't in any better shape...I pay extra close attention to the types of things I eat, because I have digestion problems as well. Have cut out half of my diet and I'm not getting any better. Corn anything is a no-no, coconut, most nuts, sugar-free gum even... Considering cutting cheese completely out, but I'm not that desperate yet...After years of avoiding chocolate, I recently found it helps about half the time, so I'm happy about that...but I've put on a couple pounds because of it too

I could write a novel, really I could. Nothing helps. I really believe for me to be cured, my DNA would have to be restructured- which I don't think I'll live to see the day- but I can't not think about it, either...And I do, constantly.

JO753

Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:58 PM

I think by the time we can get our DNA modified we will also hav the choice uv moving into artificial bodiez!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

DEVERSE

Monday, July 16, 2012 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by DEVERSE:
So where are the extra people?

Wars, famine, disease, genocide. All of the above.

The numbers I posted are for a single person over 1000 years.

Currently, the estimated number of people who have lived over all time from the first homo sapiens (as we are today) appeared on earth about 50,000 years ago; is about 110 billion people - of which about 6% are still alive or ~6 billion people, today.

While I do think that a fair number have died from the above (as well as just good old natural causes) that still leaves a whole hockey sock of people unaccounted for when one realizes there is potentially 1.5 trillion relatives in 1000 years for a single human (I have no idea what the number is called after 50,000 years, and my calculator ran out of zeros). Obviously, we are really, really, really inbred as a species.

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face
With stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space
To be where I have been

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