"NOW Do You Believe in Global Warming?"
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Monday, August 27, 2012 01:07
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Nope. For years I was on the fence about climate change, and I read both sides extensively. The evidence has, to me, becomes so overwhelming over time that I have jumped off the fence and am convinced it not only exists, but will be the death of us. I post FACTS about what has led to the conclusion that global warming not only exists, but in my opinion has gone far enough past "tipping point" that we won't be able to reverse it. Why would I post things from those who don't believe that, given I believe what I do and my only hope is that we can stave off destruction as long as we can? The more people come to accept what's happening, the better our chances of at least lessening its influence for as long as possible. I hope that answers your question.
And yeah, Story, I grok it perfectly, I just don't expend much effort trying to communicate with or snark about Raptor most of the time (unless it's fun or there are facts that need refuting, for the benefit of others).
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Just out of curiosity, do you read the data the folks who don't agree with you provide, or do any un-biased research into the claims of both sides
Why listen to anyone other than the scientists? Oh wait, I know - because they're stooges in the worldwide governmental conspiracy to invent climate change, and exercise more control over the economy and our personal freedoms, blah blah blah. We must also listen soberly to what the oil lobby has to say on the matter, to get a 'balanced' view.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Oh, I know the word well, and understand it just fine. Others have grokked my meaning as well, though I fully expected you would not.
So I'm not a lap dog for AlGore, and don't blindly buy his bogus proclamation that ' the debate is settled '. It isn't. Doesn't mean I don't still adhere to the facts or the evidence.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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don't blindly buy his bogus proclamation that ' the debate is settled '. It isn't.
What?? You say all the time that the debate is settled, proclaiming that AGW is nothing more than a hoax. Have you changed your views?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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There is that, too, KPO. For some time now, we've been inundated by ads for coal, natural gas and oil, and I have to change stations quickly to avoid throwing something at the TV. They are so obviously manipulative, yet I know a lot of ignorant people are buying into them.Quote:
This one, THIS ONE, really drives me up the wall--I see it several times a day at LEAST:
The Reality Campaign has released a new ad. They're the folks behind the widely-played ad that featured a foreman in a hard hat taking viewers on a tour of a non-existent clean coal facility.
In this new ad, a pitchman gives us the hard sell on a "Clean Coal Clean"-scented air freshener that works just as well as "clean coal."
I want to scream at them, I really do. Ethanol. ETHANOL, of all things!
All this "natural gas" bullshit is sick...they talk about how wonderful natural gas is, and how it can be mined with less emissions than oil--and of course leaving out the damage fracking does...
Shell has a real slick cutie too:
We just demonstrated against Obama opening up waters around Alaska to drilling by Shell...may they rot in hell...
I'm just sick to death of the slick ads, the propaganda--and I don't know about you guys, but out here they are the MOST prolific ads we get on some channels, literally!
I got a kick out of this--which 99% of Americans won't know about either:Quote:
Of course they are; why try to find real people when it's cheaper to just stick stock photography in there? "New taxes" my ass; the oil companies need subsidies like we need holes in our heads, but you'll have to pry them out of their "cold, dead hands" to take 'em away, and they've got the ad agencies to keep people from even knowing about it, yes siree!
Big Oil is using fake “Americans” to defend billions in tax subsidies. The American Petroleum Institute is running full-page ads in Politico and Roll Call that attack Congress for “new energy taxes”:Quote:
The target of this ad is the Obama administration’s effort to remove $36 billion in loopholes and subsidies for the oil industry. As it turns out, the “Americans” presented in the ad are stock photos from Getty Images.
Congress will likely consider new taxes on America’s oil and natural gas industry. These new energy taxes will produce wide-reaching effects, and ripple through our economy when America — and Americans — can least afford it.
These unprecedented taxes will serve to reduce investment in new energy supplies at a time when most Americans support developing our domestic oil and natural gas resources. That means less energy, thousands of American jobs being lost and further erosion of our energy security.
Our economy is in crisis, and we need to get the nation on the road to economic recovery. This is no time to burden Americans with new energy costs.
Lies, lies and more lies...sigh...
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
don't blindly buy his bogus proclamation that ' the debate is settled '. It isn't.
What?? You say all the time that the debate is settled, proclaiming that AGW is nothing more than a hoax. Have you changed your views?
It's not personal. It's just war.
Unlike AlGore, I'll keep and open mind. Which is why I said come back in 50 years, then I'll give you an answer. It really may need more like 100 to 500 years, for a more accurate measure, but I'm sure that I REALLY won't care by then. So 50 seems like a fair number.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Hello Niki,
I have heard that the Insurance companies will be forced to use something like 70 percent of their revenue (I'm not sure of the exact figure) to provide their product to their customer. i.e. Health Care.
Do you think a similar rule should be enacted for energy providers?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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I recommend "The Age of Stupid," starring Pete Postlethwaite.
"a man living alone in the devasted world of 2055, looking back at archive footage
from 2007 and asking: why didn't we stop climate change when we had the chance?"
In a few years, my grandsons may ask, "Why didn't we stop climate change when we had
the chance?" Will they remember their parents' complete, concrete denial of it?
To those here in adamant denial ... Hey! Wouldn't you like cleaner air, cleaner water?
Or have you never lived in a big city where you can see the smog-air?
Signyn, remind me not to speak to the purposely deaf!!
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Hey! Wouldn't you like cleaner air, cleaner water?
Hello,
THIS is selling. This is the way to save everything.
Try also selling energy independence, so that no foreign powers can't hold us over a barrel and we no longer need to go to war to secure energy resources.
And whatever alternative energy costs, we can be 100% certain that it will cost less than fossil fuels in the long run.
This is all saleable, it's all common sense, and nobody has to buy Global Warming if they don't want to.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Oh, I know the word well, and understand it just fine. Others have grokked my meaning as well, though I fully expected you would not.
So I'm not a lap dog for AlGore, and don't blindly buy his bogus proclamation that ' the debate is settled '. It isn't. Doesn't mean I don't still adhere to the facts or the evidence.
Did I bring up Gore? No?
Oh, right, Rappy desperately trying to distract. SOP. Boring.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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