wildfires and politics

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

Furthemore (I put this is a different post so you can return to it after you've had your nap), if you don't understand these questions, or if you wish to be polite and respectful person, or if - heaven forbid - you just want to make communication be open and successful, you could go back and read my posts. You'll note they started short and got longer when I saw that you weren't understanding or replying to what I wrote. I figured that more explanation was needed.

Now I see that you just don't want to engage in actual two-way communication. Check. If nothing else, I am getting to know you much much better.

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Screw you AND the condescending horse you rode in on. I don't generally HAVE conversations with idiots who use natural disasters to get on their high horse and pick on a political point of view, and now I know why...

I was using the "one building" thing as a hypothetical to posit the morality of asking people to risk their lives to save your material shit. I'm guessin you MISSED THAT. One does when they talk that damn much. Also, I wasn't home all day yesterday, and I certainly wasn't even thinking about you or this thread, then when I do get a minute to sit down, I see a novels worth.

This place is fun, but I'm not gonna waste all day here. Maybe you oughta go help the people who saved yer parents precious junk instead of sitting here and snarking at people who don't see things your way.

I'm done with this thread...

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Largest water bomber in the world (Martin Mars) is here in my country and it has a capacity of just over 7000 US gallons. It is currently deployed in California.
Two of my provinces (not Canadian government, but provincial government) Convair 580A air tankers and one Turbo Commander birddog aircraft are in Colorado.

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Thanks, provincial Canadian government

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See there has been a death (hopefully no more will occur and people will listen to the evac notices).

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Yeah, there was an old woman who wouldn't leave her house in the first few days of the High Park fire, here. She was presumed dead and has recently been confirmed dead.
Also, the fire station in my town was flying their flag at half-mast. I hope that doesn't mean any firefighters died

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
If I'm reading you right, you will now claim to be horribly offended and overwrought and you'll swear off continuing any interaction with me yada yada yada etc etc. (And how convenient is that for question #1-4 avoidance!)

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Screw you AND the condescending horse you rode in on. I don't generally HAVE conversations with idiots who use natural disasters to get on their high horse and pick on a political point of view, and now I know why...
I'm done with this thread

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...Wow.

Hey mal4, you're psychic!


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Screw you AND the condescending horse you rode in on. I don't generally HAVE conversations with idiots who use natural disasters to get on their high horse and pick on a political point of view, and now I know why...

I was using the "one building" thing as a hypothetical to posit the morality of asking people to risk their lives to save your material shit. I'm guessin you MISSED THAT. One does when they talk that damn much. Also, I wasn't home all day yesterday, and I certainly wasn't even thinking about you or this thread, then when I do get a minute to sit down, I see a novels worth.

This place is fun, but I'm not gonna waste all day here. Maybe you oughta go help the people who saved yer parents precious junk instead of sitting here and snarking at people who don't see things your way.

I'm done with this thread...

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Hadn't noticed that you got started on it, seeing as you kept replying to my posts without actually reading them. And you wonder why the communication didn't work...

I see you still didn't address my points, including the one specifically stating that my argument, and this thread, has never been about one single house. Oh yeah, if you actually read the posts rather than saying your own thing over and over again without listening to anyone else, you might have got that.

It says that a lot that you think I'm condescending just because I would like a TWO-WAY conversation out of you. Since you can't do that, it really is best that you go your own way. But thank you for playing.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
If I'm reading you right, you will now claim to be horribly offended and overwrought and you'll swear off continuing any interaction with me yada yada yada etc etc. (And how convenient is that for question #1-4 avoidance!)

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Screw you AND the condescending horse you rode in on. I don't generally HAVE conversations with idiots who use natural disasters to get on their high horse and pick on a political point of view, and now I know why...
I'm done with this thread

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...Wow.

Hey mal4, you're psychic!

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Not the first RA (if that''s the term for it) mindset I've encountered, here or in real life. So predictable.

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Regarding the death in CO Springs: I kind of expect that there might be more. When that fire turned on Tuesday there were only a few hours to evacuate thousands of people, in the middle of Armeggedon. I was amazed that they carried it off so well, but I've been wondering how many people didn't leave their homes and got caught in it. Almost 350 houses gone, most in one single night. It would be astounding if there's only this one death.

Definitely yay for the weather change. Those people really need the break!

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Thanks for the info on the KC130 and C130 folks - but it did occur to me just HOW one could make use of a C130 in a hurry this way...
You know them plastic water barrels they use on highways ?
Load em up on C130, cap em off and have a bunch of troops roll em out the back, maybe ?
Or here's another thought, maybe some of those fekkin police forces with vehicle mounted water cannon could put the bloody things to a better use than abusing protestors ?

Again, I'm of the opinion that a spreading fire trumps all politics, and should be an all-hands maximum effort thing.
And untrained civvies with no gear can still be handed shovels to grub out firebreaks, mind.

We had another fire a couple miles from here, again thankfully stomped before it went anywhere - housefire caused by a box fans electrical motor blowing out in a blaze of sparks, yikes, and the heat around here is hideous, especially for folks not used to it... worse for me cause all them prosthetics are heavy and hot, and I gotta pull a full shift tonite, argh.

On that note, I ain't payin no damn $190.00USD for a freakin Kilt...
(screw you utilikilt, ya greedy bastards)
Anyone know where I could get a decent work kilt for a rational price ?

-F

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Thanks for the info on the KC130 and C130 folks - but it did occur to me just HOW one could make use of a C130 in a hurry this way...
You know them plastic water barrels they use on highways ?
Load em up on C130, cap em off and have a bunch of troops roll em out the back, maybe ?
Or here's another thought, maybe some of those fekkin police forces with vehicle mounted water cannon could put the bloody things to a better use than abusing protestors ?

Again, I'm of the opinion that a spreading fire trumps all politics, and should be an all-hands maximum effort thing.
And untrained civvies with no gear can still be handed shovels to grub out firebreaks, mind.

We had another fire a couple miles from here, again thankfully stomped before it went anywhere - housefire caused by a box fans electrical motor blowing out in a blaze of sparks, yikes, and the heat around here is hideous, especially for folks not used to it... worse for me cause all them prosthetics are heavy and hot, and I gotta pull a full shift tonite, argh.

On that note, I ain't payin no damn $190.00USD for a freakin Kilt...
(screw you utilikilt, ya greedy bastards)
Anyone know where I could get a decent work kilt for a rational price ?

-F

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The problem with the barrel idea is that it is not until the barrels hit the ground that they will break open, making the ground wet. That will not stop the fire above ground level.

The problems with the fires they are facing is more size them man power. The one that has destroyed the most homes is something like 7 miles long and 4 miles deep. In other words fucking huge. Plus depending on the area a creating a fire break takes more than just a shove. You will need heavy equipment to remove trees.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Oh I take your point, just pitchin out ideas and whatnot, is all.
As for heavy equipment, seriously, show me a combat engineer who DIDN'T want to be unleashed on a wildfire or the highway system, them guys are crazeeeee.
But yanno, in a good kinda way.

-F

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