Germany likes it's wood au-naturale...

I think parents should choose which ever they want. I'm not opposed to circumsision, the guys who don't have their forskin still dig sexin' so I doubt that the loss is felt too keenly, they still have buckets o fun.

My little brother, adopted, wasn't circumsized, but when he came to live with us we had to have it done, he was newly 4 at the time, he was constantly getting infected etc. But my little nephews aren't circumsized and they haven't had any trouble so far. If I had a boychild (by accident since I'm not having babies) I would probably get it done for convenience sake in hygeine, but if people could be convincing enough I might not. I think its about 50 50 these days on it, possibly even more boys not having it done now.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:


I also find it rather shallow to be attracted to someone, connect with them enough to have sex, then find the shape of their genitals offputting for some superficial aesthetic and then reject the person.
--Anthony

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For once Riona has hit the nail on the head, it's not completely about aesthetics, for me, I've always equated uncircumsized to "Harboring Bacteria." Especially because I'm sensative. And then there's the whole "Sex with that alien thing below yer waist? I don't think so" I don't think it is something I COULD get past, since a relationship would mean I would be fighting down my repulsion regularly. Fortunately, that never came up. For what it's worth, If I felt a relationship was important enough, I would consider body modification. You still rot the same way when yer dead, so I don't much care what I do to it now...


Oh, and it is ALWAYS a good idea to discuss such things BEFORE intimacy, along with "Are all your organs what you dress like, and do you have any extra bits I should know about??? Interestingly enough, multiple penises (penii??)on one person sound fun, just as long as they are all pretty
Heh heh heh.

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A Wish a chara,
I think we agree on things more often than either of us would like to admit. :)))

Anthony, I guess its all okay because Wish's husband is circumsized, and that's the only person's anatomy that really matters to her I'd reckon. So its all okay. But yeah, I think people would talk about it before they got ready to have sex?

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Heh.

So how many of you guys aren't or have *cough* friends that aren't? Do you know anyone that is circumcised and regrets it? 'Cause I think all of the guys I know ARE and they don't seem to have a problem getting off....if fact if anything...several have the "getting there a little tooo quick" problem...

Don't think they miss that piece of skin one bit...

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Circumcision is not usually practiced here anymore, unless you are Jewish. So most males under 30 would still have their foreskin, whereas older males do not.

If it is not necessary, then why do it? Really the medical arguments do not hold up, you just have to learn basic hygiene. This about tradition and expectations about appearance, and the same discussions are had re female circumcision, but do not hold up to logic either.

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Oh, and it is ALWAYS a good idea to discuss such things BEFORE intimacy, along with "Are all your organs what you dress like, and do you have any extra bits I should know about??? Interestingly enough, multiple penises (penii??)on one person sound fun,

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I'm with Anthony on this one. I think that would be a really gross conversation and I would run a mile if someone asked me intimate details like these before I was intimate with them.

I have had partners who have both scenarios, so it clearly is not on my list of important priorities.

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
My understanding of making such a decision is similar to M52NICKERSON's. No real overwhelming proof of one side over the other, and really, its a personal decision - or should be.

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I agree that it should be a personal decision. But I think it's fair that the courts decided that the person in question is the child, not the parents.

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As for the court decision - I guess senile old men wearing dresses and making idiotic decisions isn't exclusive to North American Supreme Courts.
"The fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents"
"This change (of body integrity) contravenes the interests of the child to decide later on his religious beliefs."

Say what?

So now the state is in charge of making any and all such decisions until the child becomes of legal age? Good grief. I suppose they expect a child who wants this done to practice their religious freedom will now have to make an application to the court or will the child have to wait til they are "legal" adult age? Must be awful slow in the German Courts.
Of course, how many Doctors will be willing to do this on an adult?

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How does placing priority on the child's physical integrity equal all decision-making being taken away from the parents? It's one very specific decision that is affected. Because it causes an irreversibel change in the child's body. An infant or toddler cannot voice any kind of reasoned input in this decision. An older child or teenager can. That's the important part. It's not about restricting the rights of parents but elevating the rights of children.

And there are plenty of doctors willing to do the procedure on an adult. It's a routine procedure and with an adult there is zero legal ambiguity.

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M52Nickerson,

thank you very much for the list of complications. I really appreciate it.

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I think it's immoral whether it's done to men or women. Religious people can go right on doing it if they want, and I can go right on thinking it's barbaric.

That said, I'm out of here before my "blarg what did I just read" reaction sets in.

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