The Talk.

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Friday, April 13, 2012 00:04
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Anthony, I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. My big (gigantic!) spark of understanding came at the dog park long ago. My dogs were off leash, as they're supposed to be. A woman came along with a little girl (which I always think is dumb, given how rough dogs can get there) and a golden retriever on a leash. She gave the leash to her daughter so she could use the porta potty. While she was in there, my dogs ran up to the golden to say hi, the golden got excited and pulled the little girl over. Her mom came RAGING out of the porta potty and railed on me about controlling my dogs, etc. I used to get defensive when stuff like that happened, try to explain it wasn't my fault, and it would upset me a lot. This time I was given the gift of being able to SEE that it had nothing to do with me, she was upset about her daughter, probably felt guilty about leaving her to control the dog, and it was just reaction to blame me. Since that time, I try to see why stuff is coming from other people and see whether it's really about me or just about them. Most of the time it's the latter. The same is true of Kane, Wulf, and the other unpleasant people here...it truly has nothing to do with YOU, and to allow them to make you feel the way you do is, to me, unfair to you. You're a man of peace; what others do to you (especially here on the internet) because of their own problems should have NOTHING to do with you; it's not about you, they don't care about you, and you can't harm them on the internet any more than vice versa, unless you let them. I refuse to believe you've lost a part of your heart, I hope you can have the same epiphany I had so it doesn't happen in future, I really do. You're too good and too valuable for that!

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Lots of wisdom there. It's taken me a long time to work that stuff out, actually I'm still not completely there. I find it has been helpful with family members who are difficult, to try and step into their shoes, to not take it personally.

And yes, spot on about just trying to empathise with you. I have had similar experiences online and I am now very careful about what I disclose about my personal life - which is my armour.

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Wulf, you brought up your daughter on another thread. You brought that topic here, so maybe you've learned a lesson about the internet and posting personal stuff.

Anyway, back to the rest of your post.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
And, as to be expected (or should have been), it became that my unborn daughter was condemned.

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Eh, no I think your child rearing skills were condemned. I don't think anybody here has wished your daughter ill, they just probably hope you gain a bit of sense while you are parenting her.

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I could pretend that I feel bad for (verbally) punching Niki in the face over her comments. But that wouldn't be true. Because I don't feel bad, or guilty for it. She had it coming.

Yet, I will say, she is not the only one that earned it. Shes just the banner-carrier, for a legion of clowns.

Their beliefs, their actions, their ideologies have created the country and world we now live with. The world that my daughter is going to grow up in.

I have no patience for it anymore, no desire to waste the time trying to correct them of their beliefs. I can't, not anymore. Maybe I can't fix everything they've done, but I sure as hell can teach my daughter how to live in this world they created. Maybe even work to changing it for the better.

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Yeah, as I pointed out earlier, you seem to be the kind of person who thinks its okay to go on a most personal viscious attack if you think it is justified. You have no rules around fighting. You perceive insult and (coz I think this is more to the point) blame niki for things that she cannot be responsible for ie the state of the country and you feel that entitles you to attack her. Thats some seriously disturbed shit you have going on there. If you want to work on changing things for the better, you might want to start right there. Start working on you.

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-pay your taxes
-walk in dangerous areas
-pay your bills
-watch, listen, to any media
-read the news
-take your kids to school

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Are you saying to do these things or to not do these things?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Think on these things I've said as you:

-pay your taxes
-walk in dangerous areas
-pay your bills
-watch, listen, to any media
-read the news
-take your kids to school

Is THIS the kind of world that you want for yourself, and for yours? The policies and the subjugation that has been foisted on your over the years... is this what you want? Where is the line you draw? Does it keep getting moved back? When do you actually stand your ground and say "NO MORE. This far, no further."?

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Yes, I want to pay my taxes. No, I don't want to walk in dangerous area's. Yes, I want to pay my bills. Yes, I want to be able to listen to any media. Yes, I want to read the news. Yes, I want to take my kids to school. So overall yes that is the world I want to live in.

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Oh right, so he thinks that those things are bad and need to be changed.

Wulf wants a world where people

do not pay their taxes
- do not walk in dangerous areas
- do not pay their bills
- do not watch, listen, to any media
- do not read the news
- do not take their kids to school

Strange kind of world

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Wulf wants a world where people

- do not pay their taxes
- do not walk in dangerous areas
- do not pay their bills
- do not watch, listen, to any media
- do not read the news
- do not take their kids to school

Strange kind of world

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There's a reason he doesn't want people watching or listening to any media, reading the news, or taking their kids to school: an informed populace is a more thoughtful populace, and Wulfie's right-wing dream world can't stand up to more informed, thoughtful people. The right wing's dream of the future absolutely requires an uneducated, uninformed, compliant population.




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

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Hi Niki,
Now that you mention it I do remember saying that, and its not the only time. I recall saying something more threatening to Kane a while back when he said something I couldn't abide. I'm not going to deny that I threaten in this fashion if I think someone is being mean over the top, even if the person they're being mean to has been mean to them in the past. I've done it before and I will do it again and I'm not going to make excuses for it. Just know that threats I make are pretty null and void, its just me getting angry and talking, I don't have the ability to track Kane down and beat him up in real life, so if I say it online know that its just talk but it just means that I'm angry at someone.

Case in point: Wulf, what you said to Niki about hoping she dies soon was really yucky. I don't want to see that luh suh again because wishing someone dead is really mean and I don't want to see it again.

Of course since my threats don't mean anything will actually happen they won't stop Wulf, Kane or anyone else from doing anything, but still.

I think you guys's transferrance theory is a valid one, good thinking.

If person A mentions their kid in one thread, it doesn't give person B the right to talk about their kid negatively/bring their kid into a fight in another thread, at least not blatently. Mentioning your child in one thread doesn't mean s/he is fair game in another thread which is hostile. If you're going to talk trash involving someone's kids, do it sideways, because doing it blatently is just bad form.



I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm not going to deny that I threaten in this fashion if I think someone is being mean over the top, even if the person they're being mean to has been mean to them in the past. I've done it before and I will do it again and I'm not going to make excuses for it. Just know that threats I make are pretty null and void, its just me getting angry and talking, I don't have the ability to track Kane down and beat him up in real life, so if I say it online know that its just talk but it just means that I'm angry at someone.

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What about leading by example?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


There's a reason he doesn't want people watching or listening to any media, reading the news, or taking their kids to school: an informed populace is a more thoughtful populace, and Wulfie's right-wing dream world can't stand up to more informed, thoughtful people. The right wing's dream of the future absolutely requires an uneducated, uninformed, compliant population.

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I sometimes get the sense that people like Wulf really want to live in a dangerous world, some sort of fantasy place like out of a western, where men were men and cows were scared. ;)

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm not going to deny that I threaten in this fashion if I think someone is being mean over the top, even if the person they're being mean to has been mean to them in the past. I've done it before and I will do it again and I'm not going to make excuses for it. Just know that threats I make are pretty null and void, its just me getting angry and talking, I don't have the ability to track Kane down and beat him up in real life, so if I say it online know that its just talk but it just means that I'm angry at someone.

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What about leading by example?

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...or just not playing internet tough guy!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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I sometimes get the sense that people like Wulf really want to live in a dangerous world, some sort of fantasy place like out of a western, where men were men and cows were scared. ;)

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Priceless! What's most amusing about it is his choice of avatars: MAL!

And thanx for your kind words...as far as not getting there yet, heavens, who HAS?! That's part of buddhism, we KNOW we'll never completely get there, it's the "getting there" that's important. Sounds like you're on a good path, which is neat.

Riona, I suppose I just don't like people threatening one another, that's just a personal preference. It's been my experience that it is pretty much only people like Wulf and Kane who threaten; people say nasting things to and about one another, snark, mock, etc., etc., but for me (just me, understand) actually threatening is something different. Given Wulf just did exactly that by saying he won't stand for it anymore, for some reason to me that is more aggressive than the usual "nyah, nyah, you're an asshole". I can't say why, it just is. That's why it stuck in my mind. I gotta ask, tho', come to think of it; what's wrong with "I'm mad at you", flat out? It's honest...never mind, as I said, that's just me.

Got a question: Several times you've written to say things "sideways"--I don't know what that means, could you explain it to me? Always confuses me 'cuz I'm not sure what you mean.

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