Wouldn't Badger have informed the Alliance....?

POSTED BY: TheSomnambulist
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:14
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:04 PM

Originally posted by GWEK:

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Because, what, Mal is always correct? Mal always makes the right assumptions?

Well more often than not the plot/direction flows with what Mal perceives as right or wrong. As he say's in Bushwacked, "It's a burden being right all the time". So in part yes.

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I'm not sure that this scene says as much about Badger as it does about Mal (and his low opinion of Badger), the crew's desperate situation (I believe this is the same scene where Mal ticks off all the contacts they can't go to, no?), and the need for the writers to cram the maximum amount of information into the pilot.

In this relatively early scene, the writers need to establish peril (the soldiers) and a ticking clock ("We need to unload this stuff before they catch us!" How do they know it's us? "Badger MIGHT have told them!")

Well we view Badger through Mal's eyes and viewpoint yes, but as he's kind of our learned friend through this adventure I happen to think that much of what Mal says , has much truth to it and we're to take that on board. If he believes that Badger would turn them in then "we" as the viewer should regard Badger as something of a threat also.

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This scene confirms that MAL would agree that Badger would sell them out, but, ultimately, nothing more.

But this is all we have at this stage, and later episodes continue to paint Badger as somewhat self serving.

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I too am of this mind, although I'm not sure it would have been to the feds unless circumstances were very, very dire. As other folk have point out, snitches get stitches.

On an alliance bias planet Badger, selling out a Browncoat veteran, would probably do no harm to his reputation.

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More likely, he would sell out Mal to other criminals (which might amount to the same thing for the crew).

Why? What gain is there for Badger in selling Mal & the crew out to say Niska? Within the context of the show there's nothing to suggest that Badger is looked up to amoung other thieves. Quite the contrary as Shindig proves. Warrick Davis wouldn't have anything to do with Badger.

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Personally, I think an outcome like that, or even pointing bounty hunters at the crew for a share of the cut, is more likely than Badger going to the feds. He's a sad little king of a sad little hill, and it's not in his nature to cross to the other side of the river, even to deliver a message.

Interesting I think the complete opposite to you on this Gwek. Just my speculations of course.

It's just such a pity there's not more content to draw from.

But I love reading everyone s thoughts on this. It's a real eye opener.

Cheers

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:08 PM

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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A couple of things...

Doesn't the Serenity novel indicate that Fanty and Mingo get questioned by the Operative but released?

Badger never harbored Serenity, so there would be no reason for the Operative to order him killed or even know that Serenity had taken jobs from him. Do we even know where the Operative got his information on who hardors that crew?

Damng it! I can't recall if Fanty and Mingo are killed or not? Shucks, I'll just have to re-watch SERENITY again!
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:16 PM

Originally posted by ImNotHere:

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Now, say, Badger figures out that Serenity is the Firefly with the Fugitives (we never found out how many Fireflies are around - we don't see any but the implication is that they're the 'verse equivalent of a VW bug). The only advantage to Badger would be to get the reward - which would mean giving specific details and a return address. As others have pointed out, Badger ain't exactly Mr Brains but he's quite good at Badger conservation and would probably be realistic about the likelihood of living to collect such a reward. He wouldn't see the profit - plus, Mal is occasionally useful to him.

Interesting points Imnothere. The VW thing is spot on! Would have been nice to see another Firefly ship wouldn't it. I wonder if they'd flash their lights at each other as they flew past
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I'm not so sure I share your thoughts about there not being enough profit for Badger. I think he'd do about anything if it cemented his standing on Persephone.
But it's all conjecture on my part I must admit.

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Anyhow's, Badger's all tied up with this cyborg chick and some doll with multiple personalities, then he's got to get this scientist off a treason charge and after that, President Nixon wants to see him about a blue box. Where's the time to be a low-life grass? (Seriously, is Mark Shepard trying to get into every SF franchise? Will there be a Cockney Ferrengi called B'gar in the next Trek movie?)

Ha, ha :D Nice. I thought he was awesome in Supernatural season Six. He was given some wonderful dialogue by the writers and he really sold it! He should be doing more film work.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:32 PM

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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Where would it profit him to turn Mal in, even as a "pillar of the community"?

Hey Shiny.
Well the only way I see it benefiting Badger is - as I said above; that ratting out Mal, a veteran Browncoat harbouring fugitives against the alliance , on a planet that is presumably alliance in it's bias, would allow Badger a certain distinction. Nothing major, but enough for him to make in roads among the community he's keen to do business with. But I'll concede it's a slight notion.

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Which gets me thinking, how did Niska hear of Mal's rep? Badger? Maybe?

Interesting...I can't see Badger singing Mal's praises to Niska though... Or can I... I'm not sure about this one?

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:47 PM

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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A couple of things...

Doesn't the Serenity novel indicate that Fanty and Mingo get questioned by the Operative but released?

Badger never harbored Serenity, so there would be no reason for the Operative to order him killed or even know that Serenity had taken jobs from him. Do we even know where the Operative got his information on who hardors that crew?

Damng it! I can't recall if Fanty and Mingo are killed or not? Shucks, I'll just have to re-watch SERENITY again!
:D

The movie does not give any indication. Some people thing the Operative would have killed them with the other people he killed. I never thought they would be in that group since it seemed Serenity was merely taking jobs from them, not being sheltered by them.

A quick search seems to indicate that the novel says they are picked up by the Operative and questioned. It is unknown if he let them go.

http://www.google.com/search?q=are+fanty+and+mango+dead&ie=utf-8&a
mp;oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=qVe&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=RrSAT92aM-SK2wW-hNGOBw&ved=0CBoQBSgA&q=are+fanty+and+mingo+dead&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3226d37ade666d03&biw=1079&bih=591

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:14 AM

Thanks M52NICKERSON

I had the feeling they were left alone too as they weren't sheltering the Crew. Same with Badger....

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