YOU have GOT to watch this!

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KWICKO

Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Then let's all play by the same rules, eh? If our lives are an open book, then let's go ahead and open the book on every public servant out there. After all, it's OUR money they're living off, isn't it?

Hell yes.

I don't LIKE Anonymous, mind you, and nor do I trust them, but one has to give that them and others are a useful check against abuse of power.

Which means I'll aid and abet them so long as that is true.

-F

I view them as more or less a necessary evil at this point.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

GEEZER

Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:17 AM

Don't know that much about the Canadian legal system, but it seems that the police there should be able to get warrants for stuff they want to get from ISPs.

That being said, info the police get, with a warrant or not, is probably not very likely to be widely disseminated to the public, unlike what Anonymous did.

Then again, there's pretty much no way to confirm the accusations Anonymous makes. They could be making this stuff up out of whole cloth.

And outing someone's possible lover but then saying you're not going to name her four year old child is kind'a lame, because if they tell you who the woman is, it's not hard to figure which child it is.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

OONJERAH

Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:33 AM

Wikipedia:

"KTTV Fox 11 investigative report on Anonymous.
On July 26, 2007, Fox affiliate KTTV in Los Angeles, California aired a report on Anonymous, calling them a group
of 'hackers on steroids,' 'domestic terrorists,' and collectively an 'Internet hate machine.'"

The English language edition of Al Jazeera, "This is the future, whether one approves or not, and the failure on
the part of governments and media alike to understand, and contend with the rapid change now afoot, ought to remind
everyone concerned why it is that this movement is necessary in the first place."

December 2010 thru 2011, there have been a numer of arrests in several countries.

I didn't look up Hacktivism.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

1KIKI

Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:53 AM

"... making all of their private facts & records available to the police ..."

I can't play the video here, but no one has mentioned anything about warrants. If the Canadian system is similar to the US, in order to get a warrant you have to demonstrate probable cause. If they are seeking to do wholesale internet trolling sans warrant, then they can't demonstrate probable cause. In which case, why defend the government's actions? Why should a government be allowed to secretly spy on anyone just because?

AFAIK Canada and in fact most other countries have a privacy clause specifically in their constitutions, unlike the US in which privacy is inferred and is (now) assumed only to mean privacy from the federal government. Most other countries including the consortium called the EU also guarantee privacy from intrusion by private parties and all levels of government. (As Facebook found out when brought to court by Germany.)

So this bill would seem to be a direct violation of PRIVACY constitutional requirements.

If lawmakers are threatening the PRIVACY of citizens, perhaps their PRIVACY should also be put at risk.

OONJERAH

Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:33 AM

If You listen to the video, you may well get a different message than I did. I heard Anonymous, of whom I know nothing
except they hack, say that Bill c30 would sneakily, essentially remove a citizen's right to private records as regards
police with or without a warrant or notification. Such a bill would be vile. I can't side with Anonymous knowing next
to nothing about them. Perhaps they are a quite loose group, international, no leadership or definite policies? Are
any of them responsible adults?

I didn't try to look up Bill C30 to find what it actually said, knowing if it were even posted, it'd be a reading and
interpretation chore far beyond my energies. I have no way to pick between the hackers and the member of Parliament
at this time.

It's only a 6 minute video; y'all could go to YouTube, find it, wait for it to load, then listen to it, decide for
yourselves. Anonymous has lots more to say than that, too.

"Insufficient data, Captain."

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"Insufficient data, Captain."

My thoughts as well with this C30 stuff. Not up to speed on the history of it, but has Canada been rocked with terrorism? ( and if so who'd even know ? - joking ) But this sounds like they're doing it for " security " reasons, correct ? What need is there for this sort of legislation?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

GEEZER

Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I didn't try to look up Bill C30 to find what it actually said, knowing if it were even posted, it'd be a reading and
interpretation chore far beyond my energies.

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The Conservative government has called its controversial new electronic surveillance bill the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act as it attempts to win support for the planned laws that would give authorities unprecedented new powers to monitor the online and phone habits of Canadians.

The so-called “lawful access” legislation, tabled in the House of Commons Tuesday, will require Internet service providers and cellphone companies to hand over basic customer information — including name, address, phone number, email address, and ISP addresses — to authorities when requested, without the need for a warrant.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/14/online-surveillance-bill-will-
put-electronic-prisoners-bracelet-on-every-canadian/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:27 PM

Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act

Now, who could POSSIBLY be against protecting our precious children from evil, vile online predators ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:32 PM

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If the Canadian system is similar to the US, in order to get a warrant you have to demonstrate probable cause.

Patriot Act.

Allows them all your emails over 6 months old, and also allows them to compile a database with drivers licenses and facial recognition software for the eventual US version of Interpol. Also, your car and stuff can be subject to an unwarranted search during a routine traffic stop or while going through airport security.

At that point, whether they need a search warrant is actually kind of irrelevant. They've created a loophole around the 4th amendment.

However, at least a judge ruled that you can't put GPS tracers on a car. So we might be able to turn some of this insanity around.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act

Now, who could POSSIBLY be against protecting our precious children from evil, vile online predators ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

This is an example of something that's actually a dangerous precedent hiding behind something with an innocuous name and a just sounding cause.

They chose the name so that they could tar any opposition as exactly what you said ("who could be against amendments to the Clear Air Act?"), but I wouldn't exactly trust that internet predators is what they're really after. There's already kind of a system in place to catch internet predators and shut down pornographic rings.

This is something else.

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