Just how far they'll go
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 17:18
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Like you haven't already accepted that the answer to the first two is "yes" and the answer of the last is "never"?
Dude, I have never heard such such a meaningless string of tripe in my life. Is this what you substitute for understanding? An endless string of slogans with NO... check it out... NO correspondence to reality???? I have to ask... when, dear god, when are you going to get tired of total cluelessness?Quote:
Those non-crazy Republicans were smart enough to stay out of the fray this time, and are just waiting for 2016, would be my guess. They saw the way things were going and realized putting themselves among the current crazies was useless and would only reflect poorly on themselves, so they are waiting for things to get less insane, as the pendulum ALWAYS swings back.
there are almost certainly non-crazy republicans that exist, so why are they putting rather controversial figures at the forefront for the presidential candidacy?Quote:
Of course it doesn't make sense to you, Riona, you're a thinking person. As to "why", however, the answer is that the current reflectors of "Republican" mentality will go to any lengths to find ANYTHING they can diss Obama about, no matter how ridiculous or unimportant. It's been going on for quite some time and will continue, never doubt it.
why waste time being upset and criticizing someone's Christmas cards? It makes no sense to me.
As to any expectations that Rap will put forth anything but oft-repeated talking points, why would anyone waste their time? Of course he'll parrot the "job creators" line and all the rest, it's what he's indoctrinated to do. The fact that taxes on the rich "job creators" are lower than they've been for many, many decades and yet they're not "creating" any "jobs" will never have any effect; his blinders are too firmly attached and that will never change. Logic has no place in the minds of the manipulated.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess you mean to say one does not equal the other ? While there are the trust fund babies, those who manage to find their way into money, with zero effort of their own doing, that still doesn't dismiss the fact that most folks who ARE achievers and have become wealthy did so on their own.
Unless you're talking about union or govt employees. Then yes, they have become wealthy largely on the backs of others.
Yes, some wealthy people did work very hard to get where they are. Many others did not. Then you also have people who have achieved great things but are not rich. So the two groups are not the same.
Oh, find me a rich union or government employee.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Oh, find me a rich union or government employee.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A janitor working at a GM plant , living in a nice house w/ a big back yard, a pool and a pool house and a vintage Mustang in the garage may not count as "rich", but he sure as hell was doing better than most Americans.
And Niki, a communist community agitator who can't for the life of him find his birth certificate, who spent 20 years in Rev Wright's racist, anti-American church would be classified as " non crazy " in your world ?
Really?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
A janitor working at a GM plant , living in a nice house w/ a big back yard, a pool and a pool house and a vintage Mustang in the garage may not count as "rich", but he sure as hell was doing better than most Americans.
How long did he have to work to get all that? You almost sound jealous. See he was making about $23 an hour. With some overtime maybe in the $60,000 per year range.
Okay, he is doing better than most, now find me a rich one.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Okay, he is doing better than most, now find me a rich one.
Too easy...
Democrat Hypocrisy: Pelosi Flaunts $10,000 per night Hawaii Hotel Room
Move over Obama’s. You may be enjoying a 4 million dollar Hawaii “Christmas vacation” with your friends on the tax payer dime, but there’s another multi-millionaire Democrat at a nearby Island.
She’s none other than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and she and her husband have checked into the exclusive Four Seasons Resort Hualalai at Historic Ka'upulehu in Kona on the island of Hawaii.
The hotel’s website describes the lavish setting this way: “Gloriously revitalised, this natural tropical paradise offers more than ever to explore – with a newly expanded Spa, beachfront dining, fashion boutiques and new Deluxe Suites, in addition to Jack Nicklaus signature golf. Set on the Big Island’s exclusive Kona-Kohala Coast, this showpiece resort captures the essence of Hawaiian design, culture and tradition.”
Speaker Pelosi revealed earlier this year earnings of 35 million dollars in one year alone. With a combined wealth with her husband in the hundreds of millions, it easy to see why her political ideology is “do as I say, not as I do”
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-philadelphia/democrat-hypocr
isy-pelosi-s-flaunts-10-000-per-night-hawaii-hotel-room
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Okay, he is doing better than most, now find me a rich one.
Too easy...
Democrat Hypocrisy: Pelosi Flaunts $10,000 per night Hawaii Hotel Room
Not a union worker or a government employee, but an elected official.
An elected official who's government salary is under $250,000 per year.
That would be strike two!
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Elected officials ARE govt employees, genius.
And the first example ? More of a foul tip, not a clear miss.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Elected officials ARE govt employees, genius.
No, they are not. When you hear about government employees getting pay raises, or cut, those do not include elected officials. In places where government employees are covered by unions, those unions do not cover elected officials. There a a bunch of differences.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And the first example ? More of a foul tip, not a clear miss.
Okay, a foul tip....that is still a strike.
People are not getting rich working a union or government job.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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First, elected officials ARE govt employees. You didn't specify union employees AND govt workers, you said " or ". Hell, those in Congress make up their own rules, there's no need to unionize, they ARE " the man " .
But I'll just repost what I had originally added as a PS in my prior reply, as it seems to address your other comment.
But what you ask for here is sorta missing the point. Real wealth lies w/ the people, not the govt. Or it should. Yes, there are areas where the govt can pool its resources together and the end benefit is passed on to all of us, but when it comes to " making people rich", that should be done in the free market, not govt. Where do you think govt gets its money in the first place ? It TAKES what others have earned.
The problem that so many are seemingly blind to is that our govt already takes more than it needs, yet it keeps asking for more. The claims that " it's for the children" or "it's for the greater good " have been so over used, so exaggerated, it'd be comical if it weren't such a disaster.
One tiny example ?
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When Fayette County opened a new $9.9 million school, it was supposed to house nearly 700 students. Years later, why is it nearly empty? And what lessons might other school districts learn from the costly mistake?
The faith in infinite growth that led to overbuilding and financial distress in Atlanta's real estate markets also blindsided one metro area school system.
In fall 2009, construction finished on a new $9.9 million elementary school in Fayette County, south of Atlanta. At more than 86,000 square feet, Rivers Elementary could hold nearly 700 students.
Today, it houses about 20.
After years of adding students --- and state numbers showing that would continue --- Fayette County school system officials say they didn't see the enrollment reversal coming.
The miscalculation cost the school system millions at a time when budgets were already straining under a recessionary decline in tax revenue. It also highlights the challenges that school districts and others across metro Atlanta face when planning for the future.
"When we were planning for this school, there were projections that the population would grow," said Bob Todd, chairman of the Fayette County school board. "Of course, the bottom dropped out of the economy."
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDoc
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There are countless examples like this, and much much worse, and yet govt STILL keeps insisting that it needs more and more money. It's sheer insanity, and nothing less.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.
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Just FYI, because I'm not about to waste my time in a silly argument with the talking-points-but-no-thinking village idiot, "with some overtime maybe in the $60,000 per year range" is about right. According to their contract, janitors at GM get $28 per hour in wages AND BENEFITS. Quote:
That's roughly $58,240/year BEFORE TAXES, so you're pretty right on. BUT, that includes benefits and taxes, keep in mind. Take out taxes, and benefits that many middle-managemnt and other workers get, and what does that actually work out to? I'm not about to do the math, but it's nothing near enough to pay for all things said village idiot pictures him as hvaing. Just sayin'.
The contract states that new employees will begin in "non-core" janitorial and maintenance roles at a rate of $28 per hour in salary and benefits.
The rest is just partisan idiocy on his part, trying to justify things with non-logic. Also,Quote:
That's the most assinine thing I've read yet this morning, and quite clearly classifies him as a Village Idiot, of the mindless right-wing class.
a communist community agitator who can't for the life of him find his birth certificate, who spent 20 years in Rev Wright's racist, anti-American church would be classified as " non crazy " in your world ?
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