Stupid voters enable broken government

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MAL4PREZ

Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:41 PM

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DREAMTROVE

Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:49 PM

Democracy:

A psycho stands in front of you, and offers you a choice. "You can be killed by the awl in my left hand or the axe in my right hand." I guess that's a democratic choice.

The way our democracy works, if there are ten hostages, and 6 vote for the axe, we all get axed.

However, in our democracy, if 3 vote to be axed and two vote to have out eyes gouged out with an awl and five refuse to be killed, we all get axed again.

Then we have voter fraud. The pro-awl crowd proves that really it wasn't 3 people saying axe, but one person jumping around the room saying axe three times, and two people saying awl, and 7 people who wanted to live, then they have a huge uphill battle to fight to show that we have in fact decided for the left hand, and we each get an awl in our brain, regardless of how each of us individually voted.

Then, some political commentator will come in and say "The system isn't perfect, but it's better than having no psycho in the room with weapons trying to kill us."

8 other people in the remove remain silent, and one agrees, and so among those who commented, support for that notion was unanimous.

I guess if we were to upgrade our political system and get rid of all the fraud and corruption, the above is what we would have.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

KWICKO

Sunday, October 2, 2011 1:35 AM

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Then we have voter fraud. The pro-awl crowd proves that really it wasn't 3 people saying axe, but one person jumping around the room saying axe three times, and two people saying awl, and 7 people who wanted to live, then they have a huge uphill battle to fight to show that we have in fact decided for the left hand, and we each get an awl in our brain, regardless of how each of us individually voted.

You know there really haven't been any substantiated cases of any kind of systematic widespread voter fraud in the last 50 or more years, right? I think what you mean is "election fraud", where one person reporting the results says "axe" three million times, when in fact the real results would have been five million votes for "freedom".

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 2, 2011 1:36 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, 6ix, it's subjective, but which of the Republican candidates do you figure is the lesser of two evils? I shouldn't ask, because you already expressed a preference for Ron Paul, but in my subjective opinion, they are ALL nutcases...so far.

Who isn't crazier? That mindless left-wingnut we have in the seat today?
I know Ron Paul will never win, but I continue to vote for him because (just like MySpace gives you badges for being "old school" today, i could say I told you so when everyone else comes around someday.

Seriously..... is this "Change" working for you?

Ask anyone who was here 5 years ago....

I LOATHED GWB!!!!!!

LOATHED!

I didn't vote for O'Bammy, but I hate him even more for tripiling GWB's largest deficit in his first year and then starting another illegal war with Libya later in his "career", after selling his votes on ending war and bringing our children home...

F'ing Liar.

Just like the Rethugs....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

KWICKO

Sunday, October 2, 2011 1:43 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
This makes me think of two things:

1. When Princess Diana died, all of England and much of the world bitched and moaned about the evil paparazzi. I felt I was the only one thinking: stop buying every rag that prints a picture of Di, you morons. Then the photographers would stop chasing her. But the idiots just went out and bought more.

Yes, stupid people. Incapable of connecting cause and effect. Incapable of deciding NOT to be a part of the cause.

2. I was just reading about Perry and his "skepticism" of climate change, which reminded me of old threads on RWED. Otherwise intelligent-seeming posters stated their belief that scientists make all this up so they can get funding.

Ok, wait... Must get this off my chest...

Scientists falsify their research for money, but Big Oil and its politician leeches (Perry) would never do such a thing?

Scientists who have tenured jobs falsify their research for money, but Big Oil, with employment and income that depends solely on profit, would never do such a thing?

Scientists who work for educational institutions falsify their research for money, but Big Oil which exists purely to make a profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who might make 100K or so a year falsify their research for money, but Big Oil controlled by managers/stock holders with million dollar bonuses/incomes funded by company profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who must submit their work to peer-reviewed journals falsify their research for money, but Big Oil that only needs to stand up to the rigorous standards of Faux news would never do such a thing?

BTW, which science classes did Perry take in college? How were his grades?

Talk about stupid.

I really wish Perry would hold a town hall meeting in my town, and give me the mic.

Hell, he won't even hold such town hall meetings in Texas, for fear someone will ask him such uncomfortable questions.

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Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

What I said back around 2005 or so was that I could forgive someone for voting for Bush once, as a youthful indiscretion or a mistake, but to vote for him TWICE? That took not just ignorance, but aggressively stupid malice.

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It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over.

Okay, I don't mean to harp on it, but THAT was pretty much the point Gino was trying to make way back when. And honestly, if you think that a "clean slate" is going to happen without several million deaths at a minimum, you're dreaming. His solution was political assassination, if I recall, or targeted bombing. Seems horrific, but it's "cleaner" than utter chaos, I have to say.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

M52NICKERSON

Sunday, October 2, 2011 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
This makes me think of two things:

1. When Princess Diana died, all of England and much of the world bitched and moaned about the evil paparazzi. I felt I was the only one thinking: stop buying every rag that prints a picture of Di, you morons. Then the photographers would stop chasing her. But the idiots just went out and bought more.

Yes, stupid people. Incapable of connecting cause and effect. Incapable of deciding NOT to be a part of the cause.

2. I was just reading about Perry and his "skepticism" of climate change, which reminded me of old threads on RWED. Otherwise intelligent-seeming posters stated their belief that scientists make all this up so they can get funding.

Ok, wait... Must get this off my chest...

Scientists falsify their research for money, but Big Oil and its politician leeches (Perry) would never do such a thing?

Scientists who have tenured jobs falsify their research for money, but Big Oil, with employment and income that depends solely on profit, would never do such a thing?

Scientists who work for educational institutions falsify their research for money, but Big Oil which exists purely to make a profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who might make 100K or so a year falsify their research for money, but Big Oil controlled by managers/stock holders with million dollar bonuses/incomes funded by company profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who must submit their work to peer-reviewed journals falsify their research for money, but Big Oil that only needs to stand up to the rigorous standards of Faux news would never do such a thing?

BTW, which science classes did Perry take in college? How were his grades?

Talk about stupid.

I really wish Perry would hold a town hall meeting in my town, and give me the mic.

Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over. I only hope the crash and burn, if we don't wise up and avoid it, isn't too ugly. The fall of Rome was followed by 1000 years of darkness...

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I will third that....

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

M52NICKERSON

Sunday, October 2, 2011 2:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Seriously..... is this "Change" working for you?

Unfortunately its has not gotten here yet. It was blocked by a bunch of people clinging to guns, bibles and teabags.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

GEEZER

Sunday, October 2, 2011 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Why can't it just require that airwave media provide a free set amount of advert time to credible candidates.

The fun here starts when you have to decide who can impartially pick the "credible" candidates.

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So, how do we stop corporate and religious brainwashing?

You don't, or you're just as bad as they are. You offer alternatives.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, October 2, 2011 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

What I said back around 2005 or so was that I could forgive someone for voting for Bush once, as a youthful indiscretion or a mistake, but to vote for him TWICE? That took not just ignorance, but aggressively stupid malice.

Fool us once, shame on Bush, fool us twice... um... OK, we did get fooled again.

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It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over.

Okay, I don't mean to harp on it, but THAT was pretty much the point Gino was trying to make way back when. And honestly, if you think that a "clean slate" is going to happen without several million deaths at a minimum, you're dreaming. His solution was political assassination, if I recall, or targeted bombing. Seems horrific, but it's "cleaner" than utter chaos, I have to say.

No no no. Not at all.

First, there's a difference between someone IN THE SYSTEM, feeling powerless, grasping for any silver lining, and a person outside the system saying that everyone in the system needs to die because of the actions of a few.

Gino, who's not American, said that Americans should pay with our lives for what what our leaders did. We weren't willing to get our sniper rifles out and kill W, so we're at fault. (Recall that I asked him - But Gino, you never brought your rifle over the border and killed Bush, so aren't you at fault as well? According to your rules, don't you deserve to die too? Never got a response to that.)

My feelings are more like someone in a bad relationship who's been trying for years to convince herself it'll work. At some point I have to realize that it can actually end. And maybe it should. Maybe there's something better out there.

This doesn't mean I've decided to grab the meat cleaver and partake in bloody murder of my boyfriend! I don't want things messy, and I said as much though you didn't quote that part of my post.

If you (and Gino) inevitably tie change with violence, that's your issue.

And no, I'm not dreaming. What did MLK and Ghandi accomplish? How about the Middle East lately? Go Wisconsin! Go Verizon strikers! Go Occupy Wall Street! This is the stuff that needs to happen.

Now, what Gino could not see, but I know you can Kwicko, is that this attitude of his was right in line with the ideas of Bin Laden. Killed innocent citizens? Targeted bombing? How'd that work for OBL in 2001? How is it going for us in Afghanistan and Iraq?

And using this approach on ourselves, inside on our country? Is that what you mean? Are you insane? Bullshit it'd be cleaner! All it would do is destroy us, destroy our remaining character and cohesion. America may have an active Upsurge of Idiots to deal with, and a high-powered elite oligarchy buying up the govt, but there are ways to fight this without turning ourselves into Al Quaeda.

Again - go Occupy Wall Street! I'm going to visit them today. Looking into buying them some pizza or something.

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KWICKO

Sunday, October 2, 2011 2:10 PM

As far as "How'd it work for Bin Laden?", I'd have to say he pretty much won. He got everything he wanted. He said he'd be a martyr to his cause, so we killed him, fulfilling his wish. He said he'd embroil the U.S. in wars it couldn't afford or sustain, and we promptly attacked and invaded numerous countries, again fulfilling his wish. His actions have pretty much spelled the end of the American Empire, according to the conservatives around these parts at least.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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