Impressed, or Appalled ?
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Friday, August 12, 2011 00:03
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Not for sex, no, when one is older that the magic number. Pornography is an element I hadn't considered, though.
Consent is a little blurry sometimes. Tell a fifteen year old she can't have sex with her seventeen year old boyfriend. It ain't happening.
Yeah, but when a 30-year-old is videotaping her, HE'S the one committing the felony!
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Videotape 4 naked honey-soaked above-the-age-of-consent teenagers...
I would never ever do such a thing.
Never. Not ever.
Not even if all charges were dismissed and God told me to.
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Yeah.
I didn't realize though that there was some written statute about consent in that law and under-ageness. I mean, it would make sense if there were one, it hadn't occurred to me.
But, on the other hand, there's clearly holes in the law, because it seems to me like the law assumes that parents photographing and videotaping their own kids is okay, when sometimes it isn't.
Might be there are ways that we should define consent a little more strongly.
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Sorry, PN, but 15 is definitely NOT above the age of consent in Texas. Age of consent for sexual intercourse in Texas is 17, but even then, a 17-year-old can't legally be a stripper or a porn actress, so video of such material would almost certainly constitute kiddy porn.
Sorry to disappoint you and your "god".
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I think there is a difference between feelings and actions. Then the thing in the middle is talking about it. The fact that you, Frem, talked about possibly being impressed with his enginuity is worrisome to me. If you think it but don't say it then it isn't anyone's business, but when you say it it sort of starts becoming other people's business, eeeewwwww, I think my respect for you suffers a lil' here. I see you were trying to make a point about the airport people but it was lost on me. At least you didn't say you'd like to _do this because that would have been really bad in my opinion.
The fact that he started dating one of the girls later is kind of ooky. At my church there is this code of unspoken conduct that if someone was ever in your class when they were under 18 you just don't ever date them later, even if they're grown now, its just odd you know, even if they grow up to be cool and like hanging out with them, they must stay a friend and nothing more.
This whole thing got worse in my mind during today.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Wow, I can't believe the things some people are assuming ... that ONE of the girls LATER dated the minister means they ALL gave consent AT THE TIME? ... to an act which was secret ( it was a HIDDEN camera after all) and which the minister informed that ONE girl of only years AFTER THE FACT? .... and she was so 'OK' with it after she found out she informed authorities?
Is this time traveling consent? Consent by ESP?
Hellooo ....... anyone home?
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Wow, Kiki and I are in agreement here, complete agreement.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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High five!
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Oh heavens no, Riona, I find *what* he did pretty damn repulsive, even MORE so cause he apparently wound up dating (a polite euphemism for in-bed-with, lets admit it) one of em, which makes it downright freakin creepy!
But the sheer unmitigated audacity of the sumbitch is indeed "impressive", impressively horrifying, mind you, but I cadged the language to give the opposite impression on purpose so that folks didn't see the set-up for a future comparison to what the TSA does, and why it should be illegal.
One can be completely offended by the WHAT, and still be amused by the HOW, without moral commentary on the deed itself.
FYI, I have that rule too - much to Wendy's displeasure and annoyance, I feel that any relationship with someone who has previously been under your care due to age or incapacity is immoral, being that it is exploitive and predatory, corrupted from the get-go by that imbalance of power.
Speaking of such things though, they finally put Warren Jeffs in a damn cage where he belongs, forever.
(This one's for you, Siggy, I TOLD you he'd pay the piper!)
Anyhows, thing is, how on earth can we possibly reconcile our horror with what this creep did, with our meek acceptance of that very self same thing, done in public no less, by the TSA ?
And there's much more to the topic I've not time to properly address at the moment, too.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Wow, Kiki and I are in agreement here, complete agreement.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Right there with y'all. Kind of why I made the point that there's no way even a 17-year-old can "consent" to being videotaped nude by hidden camera. Even if she found out later, and even if she WAS "okay" with it AFTER THE FACT (and I've seen no evidence that she was), it was still a felony when he did it.
And I remain appalled that there's only a 3-year limit on filing charges for such a thing.
At the very, very least, this should serve as probably cause to search his home, computers, etc. - and I'd bet money he's got kiddy porn all over the place, because he certainly seems to get off on it.
I'm not "impressed" by his audacity in admitting it to the girl, because I don't think that was really a bold move. He probably still doesn't think he REALLY did anything wrong, so doesn't see any problem admitting it. And that means he'd incredibly likely to still be engaging in such behavior. And the inability of authorities to charge him only shores up his beliefs. :(
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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