"Carmageddon", L.A. Style

POSTED BY: Niki2
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HARDWARE

Saturday, July 9, 2011 11:41 AM

Sorry Kwicko, you're wrong. The people who are going to be impacted by this have known about the situation for years, if not decades. They could have gotten active and pressured their elected criminals for highway construction projects long ago, but they didn't. Nobody in Tuscaloosa could have pressured their elected for less tornadoes.

Come up with a better argument.

They've done it to themselves. Either through apathy or indifference. Time to pay the piper. Arguing that this is the equivalent of a natural disaster is just stupid.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

KWICKO

Saturday, July 9, 2011 12:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Sorry Kwicko, you're wrong. The people who are going to be impacted by this have known about the situation for years, if not decades. They could have gotten active and pressured their elected criminals for highway construction projects long ago, but they didn't. Nobody in Tuscaloosa could have pressured their elected for less tornadoes.

They could have pressured their elected criminals for better building standards in Tuscaloosa, couldn't they? Argued for more storm preparedness, tornado shelters, etc.? They've known for generations that they are in a tornado-prone area. They've done it to themselves, through apathy and indifference.

HARDWARE

Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:23 PM

Except for the glaring fact that a modestly built building will shelter you from normal weather for decades. It is only when there is severe weather in excess of its tolerance that you notice the problem.

People affected by the long overdue road construction have been noticing the effects of "severe weather" for decades.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

KWICKO

Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:56 PM

I'd wager that people have been noticing the effects of severe weather for rather longer than Los Angeles has even existed, much less had traffic. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NIKI2

Monday, July 11, 2011 3:22 PM

California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation. There was little effort put into mass transit as a result; we had lots of space and not yet that many people, so it was fine.

Apathy when it comes to building mass transit, yes, because part of the mentality is that people REALLY take their cars personally and are used to being able to use them wherever they want to go and, again, little viable real mass transit. There's some now, both in L.A. and here, but here anyway, buses and rail aren't that safe, and for us, the ferry is expensive. So people take their cars. They've put in "commuter lanes"--at first it was three people in one car who could use them; they had to make it TWO people in one car because they weren't being used much.

As they build further and further East, mass transit has become more popular; some people ride a couple of HOURS each way to work in the City. But more people own more cars per household now, and that's increasing. We had a 24% increase in households in the Bay Area from 1990 to 2010, while the increase in vehicles per household was 43% in the same time period.

Building bigger freeways isn't the answer. We already have EIGHT-LANE freeways in places (not up here). Up here, we had some jams now and again, and eventually they put in another lane. Now it's lovely; few traffic jams in Marin anyway, but it's the third time they've added lanes, and eventually the freeway will fill up again. People have, and do, demand larger freeways, but that's not the answer.

It requires a change in mentality to really improve the situation, which hasn't happened yet. I might note that Choey says it's the same in Chicago, if not worse, so it's not just us, there are other high-population places with the same problem.

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HARDWARE

Monday, July 11, 2011 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'd wager that people have been noticing the effects of severe weather for rather longer than Los Angeles has even existed, much less had traffic. ;)

Not the point we're arguing.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

HARDWARE

Monday, July 11, 2011 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation. There was little effort put into mass transit as a result; we had lots of space and not yet that many people, so it was fine.

Apathy when it comes to building mass transit, yes, because part of the mentality is that people REALLY take their cars personally and are used to being able to use them wherever they want to go and, again, little viable real mass transit. There's some now, both in L.A. and here, but here anyway, buses and rail aren't that safe, and for us, the ferry is expensive. So people take their cars. They've put in "commuter lanes"--at first it was three people in one car who could use them; they had to make it TWO people in one car because they weren't being used much.

As they build further and further East, mass transit has become more popular; some people ride a couple of HOURS each way to work in the City. But more people own more cars per household now, and that's increasing. We had a 24% increase in households in the Bay Area from 1990 to 2010, while the increase in vehicles per household was 43% in the same time period.

Building bigger freeways isn't the answer. We already have EIGHT-LANE freeways in places (not up here). Up here, we had some jams now and again, and eventually they put in another lane. Now it's lovely; few traffic jams in Marin anyway, but it's the third time they've added lanes, and eventually the freeway will fill up again. People have, and do, demand larger freeways, but that's not the answer.

It requires a change in mentality to really improve the situation, which hasn't happened yet. I might note that Choey says it's the same in Chicago, if not worse, so it's not just us, there are other high-population places with the same problem.

Ah yes, all those '49er's driving their model 0 Fords across the plains to, ah... Oh yeah, that never happened.

But yes, whatever solution you want to adopt, mass transit, light rail, bike lanes, all of it is driven by the voters. Politicians will always take the easy way out.

It's up to the voters to hold their feet to the fire and make 'em squeal.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

KWICKO

Monday, July 11, 2011 11:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation.

Ah yes, all those '49er's driving their model 0 Fords across the plains to, ah... Oh yeah, that never happened.

You're not burdened with an overabundance of schooling, are ya? Reading comprehension seems to have gone right past you.

If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist. You've taken money from me, by force and at gunpoint, and you've given it to people who are on a mission I don't support, and are murdering others in my name, and I am given no choice in the matter.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
It's up to the voters to hold their feet to the fire and make 'em squeal.

Uh huh, and HOW do you propose we DO that ?
The voters wanted us out of the quagmire over in the sandbox, voted for folks who promised to end it, only to have them break their word...

If the bastards can ignore us, not suffer any consequences for doing so, and voting them out requires voting someone else in who has already sold out cause the system itself is a rigged game, how exactly DO you propose to hold them accountable, then ?

I'm not just being a jackass about this, I am very well aware of just how effectively one can put the arm on LOCAL politicians, but without a NATIONAL infrastructure you wind up with a whole bunch of incompatible, disconnected projects and needless duplication of effort, not to mention the obligatory porkbarrel chicanery and corruption - they don't call the Baltimore Light Rail the "Loot Rail" for nothin, yanno.

So unless you got an answer to specifically HOW to enforce the peoples will when Congress has proven they can ignore it at whim (See Also: Victor L Berger) then simple platitudes mean nothing, alas.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, July 15, 2011 10:45 PM

Man under the influence of the LA local TV news--

OMG, OMG OMG ! ! !

It's 3:30 PM on Friday the 15th, and it's happening in less than 4 hours! The beginning of the end-- of civilization , if not the entire world. Starts happening at 7:00 PM tonight.

Is it too late to run out and buy an AK-47 and some land mines? Or some grenades? "Sure would be handy to have some grenades about now."

Or at least something to trade with the barbarian hordes that will overrun us any second? Or maybe survival food, in case food can't get in from the wilderness north of downtown LA?

If I'm never heard from again, just remember that I fought against the incoming Reavers until I only had 1 bullet left, for myself, and the super secret buried treasure is hidden in th---

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