Bets on federal shutdown?
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UPDATED: Thursday, February 19, 2026 15:16
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Moi aussi, as my bumpersticker reads. But I can’t help noticing that there’s a lot of scorn for people who object to wars as being “unpatriotic” or sometimes downright “treasonous” and that we’re supposed to support the war or we’re not supporting the troops, and that those who are quick to ensure that the DOD gets its bucks aren’t so quick to ensure that the vets who came home get a proper VA (but are DAMNED sure the rich get their tax cuts!), or that those with social agendas are quite happy to leave troops’ families without a paycheck rather than compromise...
I'm more of the "Support the troops. Bring them home." variety. The only way to support them is to value their lives and not send them off on security missions for corporations that own our govt.Quote:
Moi aussi as well. But you forgot “will say it’s all about the economy and the budget, but screw millions of their paychecks over abortion”. Oh, and have the mentality of “it’s my way or I’m taking my ball and going home!”
This is why I cannot stand the Tea Party. They say they are "libertarian," but then want the biggest government they can buy to bomb brown people.
JS, I’m guessing you’re joking:Quote:
The “Tea Party” voted Walker in; eventually he ADMITTED his “Budget Relief” wasn’t about the budget and took the union-busting measures out and slipped THEM through illegally...that’s not about smaller government. Right now the Tea Party “caucus” in the House is holding the budget up, not because of the money, but because they want their SOCIAL PROGRAMS to go through... They want everything THEY want, or the rest of the country can go to hell.
The Tea Party wants limited government and less national debt. They are trying to do that now in Congress. I have never heard any Tea Partyer call for a bigger governement. You have? Cite it please.
Anyone who thinks the ’95 shutting down of the government is someone who wasn’t affected by it. Those of us who WERE, don’t think it was “nothing”. It won’t bother any of you this time, either, you’ll think “nothing” happened...but you won’t be the ones trying to pay your mortgage or buy food without a paycheck. Retroactive is a word bills don’t understand, nor do stomachs.
Thank you THANK YOU CTS...you just saved me a LOT of time looking stuff like that up. The “please cite” was just so incredible I thought JS was joking...tho I was pretty sure he wasn’t! Yes,Quote:
But now the Repubs have bought it, they’re STUCK with it and finding the Tea Party has JUST enough power to hogtie THEM as well as everyone else. We can’t know, but I’ll betcha if there were no newly-elected Tea Partiers in Congress, we wouldn’t have a shutdown looming. The Repubs would have put up a number, Dems would have countered, and they’d have met somewhere in the middle...and the fucking SOCIAL AGENDA wouldn’t even be ON the agenda! The Tea Partiers of today want it their way—right or wrong, moral or immoral, and they want big government to tell people how to live and fund the military.
The moment the Tea Party became a threat, the Republican party bought it. Now the few who hold to the original values are lost in a sea of opposition voices.
From what I’ve heard of Ron Paul and looked up on my own since being here, he had some good ideas. Some were naïve, some were nuts, but what he stood for and what the Tea Party once was is nothing like what the supposed “Tea Party” is today. They’ve shown quite CLEARLY that they want bigger government...when it comes to our LIVES, like who we marry, whether our children should be taught about evolution, prayer in schools, busting unions—they’re not the real Tea Party, they’re the “Religious/Right Wing/Tea Party” CROSS. We get the worst of all three worlds.
Raptor, you didn’t understand...but then that’s not unexpected. “The Troops” are a whole different thing from “The Military”. The military is the DOD, military contractors, payoffs, elderly white Generals.
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Let's try what the "Tea Party" is doing to make the government "smaller" in Florida:Quote:
In the next 30 days, Florida lawmakers are poised to make it easier for insurance companies to raise rates, make it more difficult for women to receive an abortion and hand over control of prisons to private companies.
These are just a few of the proposals the Republican-led Legislature is pushing in the final weeks of its 60-day session. Others include radically changing the way the state handles Medicaid, state pensions, courts, growth and the environment.
The proposals are detailed, sweeping and encompass many conservative issues that legislators have resisted enacting in the past. And they are moving forward for one reason: They have the votes.
With a veto-proof majority, a hard-right conservative governor, and a determination to seize the moment in a nonelection year, legislative leaders have packed the agenda — and Democrats are powerless to stop them.
"You've got a very conservative governor, president and speaker, so they've gone down some roads that people have kind of been afraid to go down before," said Sen. Mike Bennett, R-Bradenton.
The governor has already signed major legislation to change the way teachers are paid and to reduce compensation for the unemployed, and the Legislature has overridden seven vetoes of former Gov. Charlie Crist.
Next up are dozens of bills that remove government oversight, dismantle regulations and shift state jobs to the private sector. Also on the docket are plans to ask voters to amend the state Constitution to remove the ban on providing tax dollars to religious organizations, to make it easier for the Legislature to overturn rules imposed by the state Supreme Court, to ban public funding of abortions and to prohibit any laws requiring a person to buy health insurance.
Previous legislatures have tried and failed to pass similar bills. Among them:
• Allowing Citizens Property Insurance to raise its rates up to 25 percent and restrict homeowners with property valued at more than $500,000. (note: government power used to increase profits)
• Requiring all women to undergo an ultrasound before having an abortion. (note: bigger, more intrustive, government)
• Shifting all Medicaid patients into managed care plans. (reads: "privatize")
• Banning government unions from deducting dues from worker paychecks.
• Capping attorney fees in auto insurance disputes and restricting lawsuits against hospitals, nursing homes, doctors and foster care providers. (note: enlarging legislation--government--power)
• Removing the state from development decisions and reducing the ability of local governments to charge developers for the cost of roads and schools (increase state government power over local governments, and losing government money).
• Allowing private companies to run prisons and probation services in 18 counties. ("privatizing" dealing with criminals to increase profits for prison businesses)
Republican leaders say the proposals are a response to voter outrage — fueled by tea party activists in Florida and nationwide — to reduce government and balance the budget with no new taxes in the face of a $3.8 million shortfall. Democrats say the ideas are moving because there is nothing to stand in their way.
"They're exercising that muscle now because they can — not because they're right, not because that's what people want, but because they can," said Rep. Jim Waldman, D-Coconut Creek.
Bennett (Republican) admits it makes him uneasy. "I get nervous when we have one party control everything and you don't have to negotiate, you don't have to go to the middle," he said.
A small number of Republican moderates have joined the Democrats[/u[] to point out that the no-new-taxes pledge is shrouded by the Legislature's plans t
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By the way, Rand Paul voted FOR U.S. involvement in Libya.
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http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2011/04/07/tea-partys-extreme-social-age
Debate over federal spending levels no longer is driving the federal government toward an expected shutdown, according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. It’s turned into a deadlock over a raft of conservative policy “riders” that Republicans have insisted be a part of a budget bill, the Nevada Democrat says.
Republicans have been pushing to attach non-budget legislation they favor — such as abolishing funds for Planned Parenthood and curtailing pollution enforcement at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) — to whatever measure lawmakers agree to in order to keep the government running beyond Friday.
“This debate used to be about saving money. That is no longer the case,” Reid says in remarks Thursday on the Senate floor. “The Tea Party is trying to push through its extreme social agenda – issues that have nothing to do with funding the government.
“We are very close on the cuts and how we make them. The only things – I repeat, the only things – holding up an agreement are women’s health and clean air,” he adds.
“This is an extreme agenda that has no place in this bill. This is a budget. This is a bill to keep the country running. It’s not a women’s health bill. It’s not an environmental bill,” he adds. “We will not solve in one night disagreements this country has been having for 40 years. That is not realistic. Right now, we have to be realistic. This isn’t the time – and we don’t have the time – to fight over the Tea Party’s extreme social agenda.”
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Damn straight. Oh, those “riders”?Quote:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/riders-caused-the-storm-ant
Abortion
The abortion rider that's received the most attention would prohibit the government from giving any money to Planned Parenthood. That passed as an amendment on the House floor. However, written into the base bill is a provision that would eliminate Title X -- a program that provides funding for family planning clinics across the country -- altogether.
But there's one in there, too, which would prohibit the city of Washington, D.C., from using its own, non-federal funds to pay for abortions, beyond the accepted limits for the use of federal funds -- rape, incest, or life of the mother. It also blocks funding for the U.S. Ambassador's Fund for Cultural Preservation, the UN Population Fund, and any foreign NGOs that use non-U.S. funds to provide abortions.
The Environment
Before the House passed its spending bill, it tacked on several anti-environmental amendments to limit EPA authority. In particular, Republicans want to prevent the EPA from complying with a Supreme Court ruling requiring it to regulate green house gas pollution. One section of the base bill would prevent the EPA from proposing, implementing or enforcing rules to mitigate emissions of pollution.
On top of that additional specific amendments would block the EPA from limiting, or tightening limits on, toxic cement plant emissions and particulate emissions. Rep. Don Young (R-AK) secured an amendment that would exempt oil drilling activities in Alaska from EPA regulations.
Other riders would prevent the EPA from executing a plan to clean up the Chesapeake Bay, strip it of its power to prevent water pollution that endangers animals, and block them from setting regulations regarding the containment and handling of coal ash.
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You wanna see what they DEMAND we accept (yes “we”, the American people, we live here, we’re the ones who won’t be protected, who won’t know what's in our air and water)?
Just take a look: http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/dgoldston/anti-environmental_riders_
in_h.html
Here’s a couple just to give you a taste. THERE ARE 19, by the way:Quote:
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What's REALLY interesting about this is what the supposed "Tea Party" hadto say to the GOP last November:Quote:
In a letter to be released Monday, the group GOProud and leaders from groups like the Tea Party Patriots and the New American Patriots, will urge Republicans in the House and Senate to keep their focus on shrinking the government.
"On behalf of limited-government conservatives everywhere, we write to urge you and your colleagues in Washington to put forward a legislative agenda in the next Congress that reflects the principles of the Tea Party movement," they write to presumptive House Speaker John Boehner and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell in an advance copy provided to POLITICO. "This election was not a mandate for the Republican Party, nor was it a mandate to act on any social issue."
The letter's signatories range from GOProud's co-founder and Chairman Christopher Barron — a member of a group encouraging Dick Cheney to run for president — to Tea Party leaders with no particular interest in the gay rights movement. [Dick Cheney is in favor of smaller government???]
As of Sunday evening, the letter had 17 signatories. They include tea party organizers, conservative activists and media personalities from across the country, including radio host Tammy Bruce, bloggers Bruce Carroll, Dan Blatt and Doug Welch, and various local coordinators for the Tea Party Patriots and other tea party groups.
"When they were out in the Boston Harbor, they weren't arguing about who was gay or who was having an abortion," said Ralph King, a letter signatory who is a Tea Party Patriots national leadership council member, as well as an Ohio co-coordinator.
King said he signed onto the letter because GOProud seemed to be genuine in pushing for fiscal conservatism and limited government.
"Am I going to be the best man at a same sex-marriage wedding? That's not something I necessarily believe in," said King. "I look at myself as pretty socially conservative. But that's not what we push through the Tea Party Patriots."
That indifference is essentially the point of the gay conservative group.
"For almost two years now, the tea party has been laser-focused on the size of government," said Barron, who said his group and the tea partiers are part of the "leave-me-alone coalition."
"No one has been talking about social issues - not even the socially conservative candidates who won tea party support," Barron said.
Economic and social conservatives have sparred for months over the priority of questions like abortion and gay rights even as conservative energy on issues of debt, taxation and, above all, the size of government fueled the Republican Party's dramatic recovery since Barack Obama's election.
And while their agendas often overlap - foes of abortion and big government alike opposed the health care overhaul - the small-government impulses of the new conservative grassroots groups have sometimes come into conflict with the desire of religious conservatives to give the federal government a moral role. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels was recently pilloried by social conservative leaders for calling for a "truce" on divisive social issues.
Polling has shown that Tea Party members hold socially conservative views, but don't consider issues like abortion a top priority. But social conservative grassroots played a key role in a handful of election campaigns, including the ouster of three pro-gay marriage Iowa judges. Exit polls last week also suggested that some gay voters had shifted toward Republican ranks, with about a third of self-identified gays backing Republican House candidates.
Barron and the tea party organizers behind the letter hope to get other tea party groups to sign on after the formal unveiling Monday.
"We're not talking about pushing social conservatives out of
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Pfffth, buncha wimps, of COURSE they don't dare shut it down cause it'd leave some of us questioning why we need it at all, most of it - many of its supposed functions could not only be localized, but would be more efficient and accountable if they were.
Meanwhile Belgium keeps on keepin on.
Belgium's World Record
The European country has gone nearly 300 days without a government.
http://www.slate.com/id/2289797/
The royals *seem* to be quietly laughing up their sleeves about this, but so far have kept a very low profile.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Quote:Yeah, Rand's a disappointment. Still, I think he is slightly better than the rest of his colleagues in the TP Caucus. He was raised right, but his dad can't help it if he's a spineless wimp who likes to follow the crowd.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, Rand Paul voted FOR U.S. involvement in Libya.
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once again?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-pushed-back-against-idea-131348355
.html
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Government shutdown showdown: House expected to vote on bill to keep government open but GOP senators not backing down
https://news.yahoo.com/government-shutdown-showdown-house-expected-161
838855.html
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Judge blocks Biden vaccine mandate for federal contractors in all states
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accine-mandate-for-federal-contractors-in-all-states/
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GOP blasts Mitch McConnell over debt ceiling deal with Chuck Schumer that allows Democrats to bypass the filibuster
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10288609/GOP-blasts-Mitch-McC
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