The Decline and Fall of the American Empire
POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Monday, August 31, 2026 17:58
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:Sorry. I meant, "take over" as in become the world's dominant superpower. Take the place of the USA.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Y'know, I don't see China as "taking over"
I'll probably get stoned for saying this, but I think things are going to get a lot, lot worse in the States. As in civil war all over again. Disappearances. Refugees to other countries. I have no basis for this prognosis. Just a feeling. Chalk me up as being crazy like PN, if you wish.
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.
You're going to get stoned? That won't help!
As far as "taking over" you'd have to define that first. They have already passed us in terms of laying out a plan for embracing the high tech future and they're putting their money (our money?) where there mouth is by allocating a couple trillion dollars to see it through. They have identified 7 areas to fund, they have catchy names and sound cool and it may all end up meaning nothing, but they sound exactly like the things we should be getting excited about if we had money and leadership.
Will it happen? Can they make it happen or is it just them playing the international PR media game and sounding frighteningly modern? I know they'll try and I know they have the work force to pull it off. If they succeed I guess we can take some pride in the fact that we helped foot the bill.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I'll probably get stoned for saying this, but I think things are going to get a lot, lot worse in the States. As in civil war all over again. Disappearances. Refugees to other countries. I have no basis for this prognosis. Just a feeling. Chalk me up as being crazy like PN, if you wish.
Hate to tell ya this, but it's already that bad here, one of the things discussed (and that's putting it VERY politely) in a recent meeting between local contract security and the TSA was that they were supposed to hot-flag americans exiting the country with large sums or money and/or substantive valuables cause they might not be planning on coming back - remember what I said about the IRS never pulling it's claws out, yes ?
And apparently there's enough concern about it that they're actively watching for that kind of thing, to which I say again, uncut gemstones, a rock collection and a couple hammers and books, and viola - instead of a soon-to-be fugitive, you're now a geology buff and no one the wiser.
Also watching JP Morgan and a whole *LOT* of bizarre manipulation of the "Paper Silver" (most of which doesn't even EXIST in physical form) going round on COMEX - looks like they're trying to do an artificial price-pin and buy a shitload of it on the cheap before rolling it back over when they pull the pin on it.
Not that it matters, cause again, very little of that COMEX "silver" is anything more than just words on paper, a promise to pay which'll be the first thing to go if matters turn ugly, at which point they got the silver, and you got useless paper.
You think other financial derivitives are bad, you ain't seen shit when it comes to metals, precious and other - besides which COMEX/FOREX, are inherently rigged anyway, like playing Monopoly with a Banker who passes cash from the bank to his buddies under the table, the only thing what keeps em going is the dipshit suckers who believe all the bullshit and come in to get fleeced.
And if you don't think folk get "disappeared" here in America just yet - seriously, what the fuck do you think happens to them kids that get sent to Hellcamps ?
And just like they've applied "behavior modification" (i.e. Torture) to adults when they got away with it on children...
Just like they've applied "intensive screening" (i.e. Zero-Tolerance) to adults when they got away with it on children...
And the spying, and all the fucking rest, did one not ever for a moment CONSIDER where they got the goddamn idea for "Extraordinary Rendition" *FROM* in the first fucking place ?
Especially when they're even using some of the same goddamn Gulfstream aircraft ?
It *IS* that bad, we just don't wanna admit it.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Oooh....kaaaaay.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Storymark, I don't mean it in a "Oh noes, we're all dooooomed!" kinda way, as opposed to a admit the problem, reach down, grab a pair and fekkin do something about it kinda way.
If I can get a hold of Dingell (which ain't like to happen till January) my first suggestion would be introducing a set of basic human rights standards for police/federal/military/security personnel to adhere to, which is only a first step and I know will be mostly sneered at and/or ignored initially, but you GOT to acknowledge the goddamn problem, and THEN take that first step, don't you ?
Oh, and I am *not* kidding about those Gulfstreams, since I can even tell you the fucking tail numbers of about a quarter of em, right out of my own personal notes - they've also been used to move quite a bit of drugs, as well.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I'll probably get stoned for saying this, but I think things are going to get a lot, lot worse in the States. As in civil war all over again. Disappearances. Refugees to other countries. I have no basis for this prognosis. Just a feeling. Chalk me up as being crazy like PN, if you wish.
Hate to tell ya this, but it's already that bad here, one of the things discussed (and that's putting it VERY politely) in a recent meeting between local contract security and the TSA was that they were supposed to hot-flag americans exiting the country with large sums or money and/or substantive valuables cause they might not be planning on coming back - remember what I said about the IRS never pulling it's claws out, yes ?
And apparently there's enough concern about it that they're actively watching for that kind of thing, to which I say again, uncut gemstones, a rock collection and a couple hammers and books, and viola - instead of a soon-to-be fugitive, you're now a geology buff and no one the wiser.
Also watching JP Morgan and a whole *LOT* of bizarre manipulation of the "Paper Silver" (most of which doesn't even EXIST in physical form) going round on COMEX - looks like they're trying to do an artificial price-pin and buy a shitload of it on the cheap before rolling it back over when they pull the pin on it.
Not that it matters, cause again, very little of that COMEX "silver" is anything more than just words on paper, a promise to pay which'll be the first thing to go if matters turn ugly, at which point they got the silver, and you got useless paper.
You think other financial derivitives are bad, you ain't seen shit when it comes to metals, precious and other - besides which COMEX/FOREX, are inherently rigged anyway, like playing Monopoly with a Banker who passes cash from the bank to his buddies under the table, the only thing what keeps em going is the dipshit suckers who believe all the bullshit and come in to get fleeced.
And if you don't think folk get "disappeared" here in America just yet - seriously, what the fuck do you think happens to them kids that get sent to Hellcamps ?
And just like they've applied "behavior modification" (i.e. Torture) to adults when they got away with it on children...
Just like they've applied "intensive screening" (i.e. Zero-Tolerance) to adults when they got away with it on children...
And the spying, and all the fucking rest, did one not ever for a moment CONSIDER where they got the goddamn idea for "Extraordinary Rendition" *FROM* in the first fucking place ?
Especially when they're even using some of the same goddamn Gulfstream aircraft ?
It *IS* that bad, we just don't wanna admit it.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
Y'know, I saw ONE mention of it about a year back, on the Texas Monthly's website, about a bizjet that had gone down in Mexico that turned out to have a load of several hundred pounds of meth on board - and just happened to have the exact same tail number of one of the planes used for committing extraordinary renditions. One mention, then *POOF!* - down the memory hole it goes, never to be spoken of again.
But it does happen.
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Cocaine, not Meth - 3.5 TONS of it, and that's uncut, so you can imagine how much that'd be once it was processed and hit the street.
Aircraft in question was N987SA, a Gulfstream II registered to Donna Blue Aircraft.
Surprisingly, Wikipedia actually has a couple of em listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_aircraft
N313P may have been the aircraft used to transport some of Larry Franklins victims to a party in Washington, as both the testimony of Alisha Owen, Paul Bonacci and others described the aircraft quite accurately and the flight maintanence/flight logs match the timeframe - but still proves very little since there's a damn bloody lot of 737's and it's a pretty standard-issue airframe.
There's also the flights to Romania, possibly involving a foreign hellcamp (black site) vaguely affiliated with Morava Academy(1) - the place in question was selling the kids and reporting them as escaped/runaway.
Apparently the same facilities and infrastructure is now being used for extraordinary rendition detention/interrogation - and this is what brought the matter to my attention, that they're using former hellcamp infrastructure, and some of the former inmates turned camp-goons are indeed involved with our merry little torturers, so it's not exactly hard to note the fuckin connection there is it now ?
(1) - http://www.praguepost.cz/news111198f.html
So, tell me exactly how that treatment differs substantially from what goes on during a rendition, with the exception of waterboarding - where the hell do you think these dickheads learned the process, especially if they're using the same infrastructure, in many cases the same freakin buildings ?
The other one worth a note is a Learjet 35, tail number N221SG - which isn't for the victims, but rather for the torture techs to travel in style, and if the initials "BKM" are still scratched into a particular spot, also had some involvement in delivering our goons to Nicaragua.
As for the rest "How bad it is" - well, here's a good rundown on Detroit.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/12/detroit-mayor-plans
-to-halt-garbage.html
For mine own, I am rather bitterly offended that they putting that luxury HQ for the damn police (The former MGM Grand Casino) on credit, while sucking the "public safety" budget so dry with their living large that paramedics and fire departments are critically short of personnel and equipment - especially when the police spend more time preying on the population with "revenue based enforcement" than any damn thing else, at least here in the Townships the police started makin an honest effort after we *succeeded* in holding them financially responsible for their conduct by cutting their budget every time they step out of line.
Since you have to call Gus, Jackrabbit or The Detroit 300 instead of 911 anyway, since if they DO show up they're more likely to hassle/arrest YOU than deal with your problem, why the hell should we pay them, especially as exhorbitantly as this ?
I want that budget partitioned so that the EMTs and Firefighters actually get enough to do the job, cause with it all bundled under "public safety", the cops loot it dry and our most critical services are having to make due with leftovers and near-junk equipment and this is unacceptable - otherwise simply increasing the budget will result in more largess for the boys in blue, and no positive affect.
I am however gratified by the reponse of the Detroit population - who rather than instantly descending into chaos and destruction, which government boot-lickers assure everyone will happen if big daddy gov isn't there to hold their hand - the average Detroiters response is to flip the bird to Bing and Worthy and go right on livin life, solving their own damn problems... cause you think about it, without the badge bearing goons to enforce their whims, they can write all the damn decrees they want, rant and rave and scream, and nobody is gonna listen to them cause for a fact they ain't in charge of NOTHING unless we allow them to be.
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