Hollywood MUST change to survive!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, September 27, 2010 20:21
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Chris, there are still many films like that being made today, they just don't get the exposure because they are produced and distributed by independent companies or come from foreign markets. It's the Big Six (or however many) that cling to the notion that every film has to be a blockbuster and spawn sequel after sequel. These are the same suits who think it is smart to remake a great, but very recent, vampire film called "Let the Right One In."
I don't care how good the American remake is, I will not pay money to see it, and probably won't bother even if I could see it free. What we need to do is stop paying money at the theaters, or buying DVDs, for films that are nothing more than slight entertainments designed to extract maximum dollars from our pockets. If we don't then we have no one else to blame.
Bingo! "Let Me In" no doubt has an enormous budget, but I can safely guarantee that it will be no better than the Swedish original.
Ditto "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Fantastic movie, not much budget, not much exposure here - but of course it's being given the full Hollywood make-over, with more explosions and CGI. There was not a thing wrong with the original, except that most Americans can't seem to read (it's subtitled, which kills American interest).
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Cybe, you may be too young to remember, but I, the old-time cinema historian will break it down for you & everyone else.
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
The problem isn't with writers not coming up with anything new, it's with the studio/network suits not buying anything new.
In the *OLD* days (pre-Jaws), I used to go to the movies every week. The movies changed that often. Most movies never saw a run past that time since the limited # of prints had to be distributed to the secondary & tertiary markets. Films were inexpensive, since no one expected anyone to see them more than once. Many films were free to have not-happy endings, if they wanted. Creativity was rampant.
Films like Vanishing Point, Clockwork Orange, Harold & Maude, Silent Running, A Reflection Of Fear, Four Flies On Gray Velvet, Last Tango In Paris, Legend Of Hell House and the like really couldn't be made today.
We need a return to smaller films IMO. A million to make, a million peeps see it, money effectively doubled. If 10 million or more see it, an instant goldmine.
This is what the suits have lost total sight of.
The want The Big Win every time out now.
The laughing Chrisisall
You have some good points, but you kinda miss some realities of the modern market, too.
The old way you describe is simply not possible anymore. The landscape has changed too much.
Oopy is correct - there is not a lack of new ideas, but new ideas are risky - and as much as people complain about the same ting over and over - most people rarely try out the new. The rehashes keep getting made, because that's whet people show up for far more consistantly.
As nice an idea is to say make a movie for a million - that's not very realistic. Fact is, movies are made for that ammount a lot - and they're the cheapie looking crap you see on the video shelf that you've never heard of, made by folks you've never heard of, and it never gets seen by anyone outside of a very small group. And rarely a million of them. And the fact is - even most of them cost quite a bit more than a million to make. And getting a million people to see it is really, really damned hard without a theatrical release - and to pull off a theatrical release that anyone shows up for requires a minimum of 10-20 million in advertising.
As nice an example as Browncoats: Redemption is, it is simply not of a caliber that anyone outside of a very small group is going to pay for or enjoy very much.
I'm involved with a movie right now that's crewing up, and it's a very small film. Just a couple locations, and the "stars" are D-list for the most part (our biggest name at this point is frikkin Helen Slater), and it's budget it close to a million.
It's a nice though,. and I agree the paradigm needs to change a bit, but the model you're dreaming of are simply not possible anymore.
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What's wrong with Helen Slater? She's done some decent acting.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Bingo! "Let Me In" no doubt has an enormous budget, but I can safely guarantee that it will be no better than the Swedish original.
Must be nice to have them psychic powers. You may not have heard, the remake is actually getting great reviews, even from those who don't care for the original.
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Ditto "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Fantastic movie, not much budget, not much exposure here - but of course it's being given the full Hollywood make-over, with more explosions and CGI.
Again with the superpowers....
It's also getting one of the best directors of the last couple decades. I'll wait and see what he turns out before making any unsupported assumptions, myself.
I'd also point out the fallacy in the "Americans are too dumb/lazy/whatever to read subtitles"argument. America is one of the only countries where it's even an option for mass releases. Almost every other country in the world dubs foreign films.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What's wrong with Helen Slater? She's done some decent acting.
Nothing wrong with her, but she hasn't had a career in a couple decades. Just making the point that to do movies on the budgets Chris is talking about means that your biggest stars are going to be the lowest on the totem pole. Not even our Big Damned Heroes are at a level where they'd do a movie that cheap, and none of them are exactly A-list.
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Quote:Go ahead, crush my dreams; you won't be the first or last to *sob*.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I agree the paradigm needs to change a bit, but the model you're dreaming of are simply not possible anymore.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:The stars of the future may be happy with makin' a few bits above minimum wage *plus* is what I'm aiming at.
Originally posted by Storymark:
she hasn't had a career in a couple decades. Just making the point that to do movies on the budgets Chris is talking about means that your biggest stars are going to be the lowest on the totem pole.
Heck, I'd star in a movie for what I'm makin' now.
Wouldn't YOU???
The whole "rich & famous" thing will shortly be a thing of the film-making past, if my crystal ball is accurate... just another job, on a similar pay scale to, oh, say firemen or police.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Niche viral internet marketing.
Originally posted by Storymark:
to pull off a theatrical release that anyone shows up for requires a minimum of 10-20 million in advertising.
Provide you past likes or general fan criteria, and boom- your selections appear. Then you pay your $2 and download you choice to disk. You then shoot out you review, and get a credit towards your next buy, if it's rated good by enough viewers.
I guess I am very much not-lacking in imagination, eh?
The laughing Chrisisall
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THAT'S IT!!!
I'VE HAD IT!!!!
Imma make a film that will cost me one grand (okay, maybe five) personally, that will rock Hollywood AND all you peeps!!!
It'll be about- oops. I almost spilled it.
Nope.
Y'all have to wait.
And I'll take bids on the toy & model rights.
And very little CGI will be employed.
You wait! You'll see!
[Hidden Title], due out Summer 2013, written, produced & directed by Chrisisall. PG-13
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Chrisisall, that's a bold move from someone living on the Rim. You are fine example for us all. Think of those millions of dollars that will be yours when you release the movie in 2013!
Changing subjects, slightly, to how to distribute chrisisall's movie: Big studios want to offer new films on video-on-demand only 45 days after films open in theaters. The same tech that big studios use for v-o-d could also give a little movie like chrisisall's version of Browncoats: Re-Re-Redemption 3 the equivalent of a nationwide release at the multiplex cinema. Quoting from www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/business/26steal.html
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But the real wrath will come from theater owners, who have made it clear that releasing a movie early on video-on-demand services — thus cutting into their window — would be the equivalent of declaring war. Over the summer, the National Association of Theater Owners took out full-page ads in Variety and The Hollywood Reporter making its opposition clear.
The worry for theaters, of course, is that people will be more reluctant to buy movie tickets, at an average cost of almost $8, if they know they can catch the same film just a few weeks later in their living rooms, and for less money than it costs to haul the whole family to the multiplex. . . .
SO which studio is going to go first, and when? All six of the major studios declined to comment for this article. But multiple movie executives with deep knowledge of the landscape say the first quarter of next year is the target, in part because big Christmas releases . . .
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