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'Wonder Woman' puts on pants

POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Friday, July 9, 2010 16:29
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TRAVELER

Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:40 PM

I suspect this is because of the movie. The powers that be want an outfit that goes with today's trends.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
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STORYMARK

Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:43 PM

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I just want to know how putting pants ON somehow makes her look trampy

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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

EXCELLENT point. I don't mind the costume, but the retcon stuff does. I don't think messing with the origin of one of DC's "Big Three" (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) is a good idea. These were the three characters that kept the company afloat during the lean years of the 40s and 50s when comics lost popularity or just got strange (read some Batmans from the late 50s) and most of the minor characters were just guests or back up stories. When the comic book resurgance began in the 60s, most of the dc characters got completely redone-The Flash went from Jay Garrack, Green Lantern became Hal Jordan etc. But Superman was always the strange visitor from Krypton raised by the Kents, Batman was the masked playboy avenging his parents, and Wonder Woman was always the amazon princess sent to America. Minor details would change after the first Crisis (the only good one in my opinion) but the rest remained the same. As been pointed out earlier in the thread, they sometimes make radical changes for a particular storyline that might last as long as a year, but eventually they loop back around to their roots.

Also worth keeping in mind that Superman and Batman sell. It's is an industry, and an ailing one at that, which makes a lot of it's actual profit from movie tie-ins. Wonder Woman hasn't been a consistent seller in a long time. Even the fondly-remembered TV show is more known for camp and cleavage than any quality - and those are tough to sell a big movie on alone these days. And they really want to get a movie made, so taking the comic in a direction that makes a film translation easier would be very appealing to them in a business sense.

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CYBERSNARK

Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:47 PM

As this one will. From JMS himself: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/jms-talks-wonder-woman-100629.html

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So Diana's task now is to a) find out where, how and why the timeline was changed, b) who did it, c) if it can be undone, and d) stay ahead of the forces trying to kill her while e) helping as many of the surviving Amazons stay alive as possible, since they too are still being hunted.

Plus, as I've said before, Dan Didio. Don't worry, the original costume will be back by this time next year.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, July 1, 2010 11:27 PM

You realize that Didio hold exactly as much power in the company as they guy who designed this new outfit?

It is nice to see that the retcon plot is not just an arbitrary retcon, and is instead tied to the plot, and seems designed to be undone.

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CYBERSNARK

Friday, July 2, 2010 3:04 AM

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You realize that Didio hold exactly as much power in the company as they guy who designed this new outfit?

Yes, Dan Didio and Jim Lee are both Co-Publishers of DC comics, but I had the impression Lee is more concerned with the art than with the ongoing storylines, and Didio has said (on the record, before a convention room full of witnesses) that he believes comic book characters are Iconic --meaning that, whatever the story needs, they must always be reset to the "proper" status quo (which for him means silver age). I can't really see them working so well together if they didn't agree on that at least.

He's the one who had final say on bringing back Hal and Barry, and he even considered "fixing" Barbara Gordon and putting her back in the Batgirl suit before deciding that Oracle was a stronger character than Batgirl-I had been.

That said, however, the man definitely knows a good story when he sees one. If he's throwing his support behind this, it means he thinks it'll work. . . but eventually, Diana will return to her iconic roots.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, July 2, 2010 3:17 AM

Damn. And I thought the Superman Returns costume was bad....

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STORYMARK

Friday, July 2, 2010 3:27 AM

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He's the one who had final say on bringing back Hal and Barry, and he even considered "fixing" Barbara Gordon and putting her back in the Batgirl suit before deciding that Oracle was a stronger character than Batgirl-I had been.

That said, however, the man definitely knows a good story when he sees one. If he's throwing his support behind this, it means he thinks it'll work. . . but eventually, Diana will return to her iconic roots.

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I get the feeling maybe Lee is there, with his more modern sensibility, to balance Didio's classic focus.

And I've no doubt that the origin will return - as I said, the story seems designed to bring it back to that anyway. But the costume I think will stay, or at least not be the old one, for a quite a while - especially if a move gets made.

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, July 2, 2010 11:12 AM

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The full on retcon seems a bit overboard, but I don't read the monthlies anyway, and either the story will be good enough to justify running with it, or it'll bomb and they'll re-retcon (de-retcon??) it right back out the door.

I agree, but JMS is known for taking characters he writes for completely out of continuity so he can do as he pleases. Seems WW will be no exception.

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Well, yeah, they have. Superman Blue/Red. Armored Azrael/Batman (and many variations to the Bat-suit). And a key element is that those characters are wearing at least semi-practical outfits, and not one just a smidge away from lingerie.

Having a WW that looks like someone bedazzled a Baywatch costume isn't going to do much to give the character credibility in the modern age.

Yes, and where are those costumes now? Defunct, gone, because fan outcry and fans dropping titles drove creative teams back to the iconic costumes that have been around for decades, in most cases longer than readers have been alive.

True the Red & Blue costumes of Supes were part of the story so I don't really count those as costume revamps because when they finally got past that silly storyline Supes was back in the tights we all remember.

The armor that Azrael wore I do not really count as Batman getting a costume change either. Azrael wore armor before briefly taking on the mantle of the Bat and it was natural for him to regress to armor as his mind started to slip. Batman's costume has remained unchanged with the small exceptions of the yellow oval around the bat disappearing from his chest and different artists takes on the utility belt and height of the ears on the cowl.

I imagine with all the issues that have plagued the WW title of late they feel a reboot will help stimulate sales. I think the opposite will occur. I predict a return to the iconic costume in less than two years.

As for her costume being just barely removed from "lingere" I disagree as that is a matter of opinion. Wonder Woman is an Amazonian warrior princess. She comes from an island of women and is proud of her body. There is nothing shameful about her costume or any less revealing that what other DC female heroes and villains wear, yet where is outcry to cover them up?

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Friday, July 2, 2010 11:14 AM

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Yes, and where is that costume again? Oh yes, gone.

It was part of the storyline of Supes, a less than stellar one at that, and once it had served it's purpose it was gone.

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BORIS

Friday, July 2, 2010 12:35 PM

Tights are not pants is something I find myself bleating regularly. Nothing I hate more than walking behind someone wearing tights as pants unless there's something over them that goes down to thigh level like a tunic or long shirt...I don't care how trendy it is you may as well wear your undies in public...actually there is something I hate more than people wearing tights as pants: people wearing their pants so low you can see crackage. ewww! Wonder woman is Hot...but TIGHTS ARE NOT PANTS! Put her in a funky pair of bootcut jeans and kickass boots.