Mal's religious beliefs

POSTED BY: Wagneraude
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WAGNERAUDE

Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:19 PM

Bear with me here for a second.

Now, we all know Mal is atheistic, or at least rejects god, but in the pilot, we see him holding a cross, which means that at some point before the war he was Christian. But, at the end of Trash, as Wash walks away with Zoe, and I cannot believe I just heard this, Wash says "Zoe, He's Jewish". Is this just a throwaway comment or an actual possibility as to Mal's religion?

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by Wagneraude:
Bear with me here for a second.

Now, we all know Mal is atheistic, or at least rejects god, but in the pilot, we see him holding a cross, which means that at some point before the war he was Christian. But, at the end of Trash, as Wash walks away with Zoe, and I cannot believe I just heard this, Wash says "Zoe, He's Jewish". Is this just a throwaway comment or an actual possibility as to Mal's religion?

He was naked, circumcised?

PENGUIN

Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wagneraude:
Bear with me here for a second.

Now, we all know Mal is atheistic, or at least rejects god, but in the pilot, we see him holding a cross, which means that at some point before the war he was Christian. But, at the end of Trash, as Wash walks away with Zoe, and I cannot believe I just heard this, Wash says "Zoe, He's Jewish". Is this just a throwaway comment or an actual possibility as to Mal's religion?

I don't believe I just heard that! LOL

It's most certainly a throw off line that Alan threw in there... Joss wouldn't have written that!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:47 PM

Mal's not athiestic. You can't hate something you don't believe in. Mal's *angry* at God, feels God abandoned him in his time of need (b/c apparently Mal was the type of Christian who thinks God fights human wars).
I tend to think of Mal's religious upbringing as being some form of good old-fashioned southern protestant - complete with a fire and brimstone town preacher. Now that Mal has decided he and God are through, who knows what former beliefs of his remain? We can comfortably say at least some, given his reaction to Book's hilarious "special hell" speech in OMR. But I think maybe you misheard Wash's line...I've watched that ep a bunch and never heard that

BYTEMITE

Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:30 AM

Anyone read Still Flying yet?

Select to view spoiler:

Mal kept the rosary. Supposedly it represents hope for him, or at least the hope for hope, since he lost all of that.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wagneraude:
Bear with me here for a second.

....at the end of Trash, as Wash walks away with Zoe, and I cannot believe I just heard this, Wash says "Zoe, He's Jewish". Is this just a throwaway comment or an actual possibility as to Mal's religion?

If that's humor on your part, I'm missing it. Never heard any such line. Might be you're confusing the show w/ some gag reel moment ?

The only Jewish reference I recall in the entire 'verse came w/ Mr Universe and his wedding.

Not so much w/ Mal, who clearly kissed the cross he wore on a chain around his neck , in the pilot episode.

( great excuse to pop in the dvd though, just to see what the heck you were seein' )

*edit* - saw it, no comment by Wash, or anyone, w/ regards to Mal and being Jewish. Great ending, though.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:48 AM

@Bytemite - ooohhh I haven't gotten my copy of Still Flying yet and the suspense is killing me! Stupid Amazon. But did Mal have a cross or a *what you said*? B/c if it was a *what you said* I may have to rehash my protestant theory...

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, May 23, 2010 3:38 AM

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:
Originally posted by Wagneraude:

The only Jewish reference I recall in the entire 'verse came w/ Mr Universe and his wedding.

Not so much w/ Mal, who clearly kissed the cross he wore on a chain around his neck , in the pilot episode.

Amnon, in The Message, who somebody in the commentary refers to as " the only Jew in outer space."

As to kissing the cross, I've always thought of that as a Catholic thing.

And gotta remember, it's 500 years in the future, on planets far, far away. No telling how various demoninations might have evolved and combined. Maybe what's left is a mixture of beliefs and rituals.

BYTEMITE

Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:51 AM

The Amnon comment was a joke, Mr. Universe is clearly also Jewish. It's very unlikely Judaism in 500 years would be completely gone.

But true on the mix of religions. In heart of gold, Nandi's funeral is some sort of Buddhist Christian mix.

WAGNERAUDE

Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:32 PM

It seems very few people actually heard the line, I assure you, if you watch the end of Trash, as Wash walks away with zoe (around 43 minutes in) he says "Zoe, he's Jewish"

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