The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

POSTED BY: Pyrophorus
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 21:39
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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 2:37 PM

Ghoulman wrote:

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So what is the answer??? GRASS ROOTS marketing.

After all, I don't trust 'versal Pictures to do the marketing any more than FOX or the WB or UPN or any of the others that have failed over and over to do anything with Joss' work. Oh, getting bitter in my typing... must be happy. Shiny!

Right on the money GM.

As I pointed out in this thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=4177

we as Browncoats are going to have to pitch in and do our part to make the movie a success. We will need to do some major marketing to generate interest in the movie. We have to insure that people see the movie instead of blowing it off because they think it will flop because the series was cancelled.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ breath my friend, and grok that anything with Bruce Boxleitner isn't really worth it. [/qupte]

Tron? Scarecrow and Mrs King? You have no soul

And hey, you state that X-Files isn't... but was! Yea, I see where it's confusing and I certainly don't know the answers. However, I do devine that despite the cult stylings of Joss Whedon shows thier wonderful characters ALWAYS keeps the viewers it gains.

But didn't Buffy lose viewers? In part that's natural progression of a long running show. Besides, my point wasn't that, it was that Buffy was never mainstream popular, although it managed to create a bigger footprint than it did viewing figures (one of the reasons UPN wanted it). Angel never did that (although its as good, if not better than Buffy).

You say that JW shows always keep the viewers they gain, which as far as I know wasn't the case - else the final episode would have been bigger than M*A*S*H*.

"I threw up on your bed"

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 11:14 PM

No offense meant to anyone, but what's with all the Babylon 5 bashing in this thread? I loved B5, and until Joss Whedon's 3 series came along, would have said it was possibly the best science fiction that American tv had ever produced. It had (for the most part) well-developed characters and intricate story arcs, and in that respect I believe it paved the way for Buffy and Firefly.

And for the record, I wouldn't be caught dead watching Enterprise, which I find derivative and uninspired. I can't imagine that too many B5 fans or Firefly fans would find it too interesting.

SHADOWVESSEL

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
No offense meant to anyone, but what's with all the Babylon 5 bashing in this thread? I loved B5, and until Joss Whedon's 3 series came along, would have said it was possibly the best science fiction that American tv had ever produced. It had (for the most part) well-developed characters and intricate story arcs, and in that respect I believe it paved the way for Buffy and Firefly.

And for the record, I wouldn't be caught dead watching Enterprise, which I find derivative and uninspired. I can't imagine that too many B5 fans or Firefly fans would find it too interesting.

Amen. B5 was my favorite series until Firefly. Hell, it brought the serial back to grace. DS9, which was the last and best Star Trek in my opinion, was pretty much a direct rip-off of B5. I think Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and several others now use the serial format thanks to B5's success.

Anyway, here's my Good, Bad, and Ugly:
THE GOOD: It's F'n Firefly! It's got humor, drama, action, sex, depth, plot, history...
OK, it's just F'n Firefly!
THE BAD: For people who haven't seen the series there might be gaps in the story. I know Joss Whedon said it's a story removed from the series, but there might still be some aspects that are missed. Plus, if the story is removed from the series too much, will there be aspects from the story that we fans will miss? I.e., the silence in space, some of the backstory or characters being changed, or even the western aspect.
THE UGLY: I like good westerns. Young Guns I and II, Lonesome Dove, Amercan Outlaws, and others, but for the past few years a western in the movie theaters has been a deathmark. Here's to hoping we can change history.

"I'll be in my bunk."

PYROPHORUS

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:43 AM

Babylon 5 was a decent series, the implementation of multi-episodic story arcs really diswayed series such as the start and end at the same spot unless its a to be continued Star Trek TNG (Which I'm not saying was bad). It paved the way for character depth and a scalable universe (IE no Insert Generic Alien #241). That said, it was still larger than belief.

Shows like Space Above and Beyond and Earth 2 (Some of my favourites too bad they were canned by fox too ) paved the way for a more believable scalable universe where the characters don't have to rely on alien makeup in order to portray difference and development.

VETERAN

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:12 AM

The bad is that it was cancelled in the first place.

The ugly is the possiblity of creative interfernce from the studio.

ANKHAGOGO

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:39 AM

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Originally posted by Pyrophorus:
The Ugly:
Advertisements will introduce the show as "From the creator of buffy the vampire slayer and angel... I like those shows, but I'd really perfer Firefly stand as its own epic, not needin' to piggyback off other successes.

I have to agree with this. Without even straining my brain, I can think of several people I know who would like Firefly who wouldn't go see it if the ads played up the "From the creator of Buffy & Angel" angle. They've got a very negative idea of what anything connected with those two shows would be like and will immediately decide they won't be interested.
Whoever brought up Stephen King and his quieter movies was absolutely right. To alot of people, it's inconceivable that one writer can move between genres, and anything from a "horror" writer has to be "horror".
I think just "from Joss Whedon" might work best --more mainstream viewers will probably think the name sounds a bit familiar, but won't really know why. And the theater trailers should be long enough to prove that there ain't no vampires, demons, monsters (of the non-human variety) to those who do know what Whedon's done before.

"Jayne is a girl's name."

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:41 PM

I agree - Joss Whedons' Serenity

This would be the best way to present all Joss stuff in the future. Though I think people who reject Buffy and Angel out of hand prolly don't swim in the deep end.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM

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Originally posted by ShadowVessel:
Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
No offense meant to anyone, but what's with all the Babylon 5 bashing in this thread? I loved B5, and until Joss Whedon's 3 series came along, would have said it was possibly the best science fiction that American tv had ever produced. It had (for the most part) well-developed characters and intricate story arcs, and in that respect I believe it paved the way for Buffy and Firefly.

Finally the back up arrives! I've been starting to fear that everyone forgot that B5 was the first space set show to go beyond 3 seasons (that didn't have the word Star Trek in front), that chnaged the way many SF shows were run, that even raised the game of Berman and co - DS9 may have been a veeeeerrry close copy, but they did manage to create some good stuff.

Can't claim to have paved the way for Buffy because the movie came first, but its possibly true that Farscape and Firefly might not be here but for B5, which showed you could do a space show, do it cheap, and be profitable.

Okay, so Farscape and FF ignored the "do it cheap" by all accounts, but what the hey.

"I threw up on your bed"

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