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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:00 AM



That's what I was counting on - the idea that he's so inculcated into his culture that he'd never even notice a woman, much less consider a woman any kind of threat to him. In certain cultures, women still can move in and out of a room without even being noticed.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:30 AM

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I'm really not seeing Frem pulling off a floral print.

Ummm

I collect hawaiian shirts, see - not classics or anything like that, just garden variety cheap ones, preferentially the ugliest, most HIDEOUS, heinous tragedies of fashion imagineable, just *because* they're so eye-searingly offensive that no one notices the weapon printing...

So mindbendingly horrific they just make peoples eyes cringe away, see ?

http://www.btdirect.com/store/en_US/images/closeup/ p87441c.jpg
(link spaced for your own safety, you were warned!)

And thus when I need to pack some iron on a blisteringly hot day, rare that it is in Michigan (contrary to my nieces opinion, we're NOT six miles south of the north pole, nor are we populated extensively by vikings with longboats...) I can do it without raising a fuss - although in michigan you're more likely to get someone laughing at my puny little popgun than screaming "omg he's got a gun" and getting all weak in the knees about it.

You're close, though, just kinda lean and mean instead of stocky, and now picture that with a horrific hawaiian shirt and safari shorts, mirror sunglasses, with the Borgomatic in all it's techno glory on the right side - and a reeking cheap cigar.


Seriously, people cross the STREET to get further away.
(which is what I want, innit ?)
Really though, it's all about social camoflauge, done right you can be a nerve rending annoyance, bringer of fear, or just plain flat out invisible - do people really even "SEE" one more mechanic at an auto shop, one more stock clerk in a store, one more uniform in the middle of dozens, anywhere ?
Or is it all just background noise to them ?

Heavy and stifling that it is however, you could hide any damned thing up to a freakin rocket launcher under one of them burqas and no one would even notice if it DID bulge here and there cause you're all but invisible to people culturally conditioned to not see you, not even LOOK at you...

And when yon imam starts to mentally chew on that one for a while, he is going to shit a cinderblock, and I think y'all might know WHY.

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Detroit is your current hunting grounds, right? Do you know Oakman Boulevard and Woodrow Wilson Avenue? In the literature I was reading, where it said "city beautification," "clean-up," "park," and plans for "affordable housing," does that mean what I think it means?

That it's a freakin disaster and no one is admitting it ?
That behind the pretty shiny lights of the rapacious casinos who'll toss you out for even daring to win at nickel slots, Detroit looks a lot like Beirut AFTER they bombed it ?

Here, this'll give you an idea, it's someones documentary work in progress, and pretty freakin impressive - carries the concept better than I can, anyways.
http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/01/30/documentary-about-the-decay-of-de
troit
/
(Seriously, WATCH this, at least say 8-10 minutes of it.)

ETA: That's not an added sound effect for atmosphere, that ghostly howl is the sound of the wind around here, which is pretty constant any time but high summer, and goes up and down in pitch depending on how hard it's blowing - my niece found it the most memorable thing, other than the cold, of her xmas visit up here, and I guess a lotta folk find it pretty eerie, especially in the really desolated areas.

ETA2: The old hippie dude who does most of the talking is kind of an example, most of the farmers around here are a lot like that, good solid folk, decent and humane...
But threatening them is a bad, bad idea, and tends to wind up their friends a bit, which include people like me.

This piece here is telling, Mister Martin is exaggerating, but not by very bloody much.
http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column417.html

We consider the PMCs to be "The Enemy" and while it might be more profitable, we don't do gated communities - we do real neighborhoods, what's left of em, not just on moral grounds but on job security and safety issues, besides which

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:16 PM

Speaking of carrying weapons hidden behind colorful Hawaiian shirts, I was wondering if there is a thread here dealing with guns vs. no guns? From a personal, not legal or starting a revolution viewpoint. I understand needing them for ones job.

I have never felt the need or had the desire to own one, but now I am starting to wonder with the direction the country seems to be going in.

I think I was the one hold out on the gun issue when I was hanging out with the libertarians. Being a little crazy and all I never thought it was a good idea for me personally. That, plus being of the whole peace and love mind set.

And I realize being a hippie and an (ex) libertarian seems a bit strange. I don't know how to explain it. I like self sufficiency, less gov, but have major disagreements with the other party that shall not be named.

The one time I came under personal attack I went berserker and had the dude running out of my apt. screaming and crying. I was pissed. But he only had a knife.

If there is already a thread dealing with this I would appreciate a redirect. thanks.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:21 PM

LittleBird, there've been many, MANY discussions dealing with guns-vs-no-guns. And we're all over the map on the issue.

I'm about as lefty-liberal-looney as anyone here, but I loves me some guns. I enjoy target shooting, never hunted, don't plan on killing anyone, but love the machinery aspects of it. I appreciate a fine sniper rifle the way some people appreciate a vintage Ferrari (I like those, too, but rifles tend to be quite a bit cheaper, as well as easier to maintain. :P )

So I'm that rarest of all political creatures: The well-armed Democrat. :)

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:02 PM

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You're close, though, just kinda lean and mean instead of stocky,


It was one or the other based on what I know. I was going to go with lean initially because you mentioned malnutrition when you were young, and because I can't think of ANY revolutionary type anarchist figures who aren't really, really lean. But then I thought maybe you might have bulked up as you got older, so... yeah.

Anyway, now I'm going to forever think of you as Wash, only with a dark streak and part werewolf.

Interesting... Yes, that's what I thought. And what's even more sad is that this is being touted as a success story to the United States government. Who isn't going to look deeper or care that it's all actually going to hell. Some pencil pusher in Detroit is just making up projects to pretend things are better than they are and to get more funding because it looks good on paper.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:10 PM

I feel the same way, LittleBird, I've never really had the automatic fear response that The Authority has tried to instill in everyone when they see a gun, and so I've never really been impressed into feeling like I want/need one myself.

Generally I figure that when someone triggers my crazy side, that gun isn't going to do them a whole lot of good. If they shoot me, it just pisses me off more.

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:41 AM


Well, the light armor adds a bit, not to mention the merest hint of a spare tire as the big four-O approaches, but generally a puny little whelp, imposing only on force of personality.
(Edna Mode from The Incredibles is a good comparison)

As for guns, many, many discussions...oh yes.
To me, it's just a tool, no more scary than a jigsaw or power drill, both of which are equally dangerous if you have no clue what you're doing with one.

Ironically, I don't carry it on the job, there's just about nowhere in site three you'd have a clear line of fire without endangering someone, and there's no real threat to merit bothering.

If one is interested, I can make suggestions, but as a general rule to me it's just a tool, no more to get all upset about than a spare tire, fire extinguisher or smoke alarm, things you'd prefer to never need, but should the situation arise, come in pretty damned handy.

"it's just an object, doesn't mean what you think."
-River Tam

-F

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:31 AM

Kwicko ... "The well-armed democrat" :)

Byte ... Agreed. So far. Still thinking about it.

Frem ... "It's just a tool." I suppose I could pick one up and examine it from that perspective and see how it made me feel.

When River said, "it's just an object, doesn't mean what you think", while at the same time seeing in her minds eye the stick instead of the gun, my first thought was past 'programming' coming up that was originally meant to desensitize her to what she was really doing. But I could be wrong.

Wish I could just have a phaser set on stun.

Thank's for your thought's on this.

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:11 PM

You know, I got to thinkin about culture and history, since I did raise a mention of the *other* line of my ancestry - said imam is no longer in any doubt of it, when I told him "in the time honored tradition of my ancestors" I wasn't talkin appalachian hills, I was talkin the other side, which wends it's way back through some of the lowest french-arabic scum even to be dumped on the legion, and spiritally if not biologically leads back to the Hashishin who threw in with Saladin after his abortive siege of their stronghold back in 1176.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashishim

Hell, said imam got the full traditional treatment, you might say.

But I was thinkin of another problem with current middle eastern culture - Baksheesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baksheesh

And it occurred to me that perhaps instead of solving this problem with violence, which is about as inane and inefficient a way to ever solve anything as exists, perhaps one problem could be used to solve another.

There exists a similar form in spanish culture, called La Mordida (Trans: The Bite) - but La Mordida involves more than just bribery, extortion, blackmail, psych exploitation, the whole ball of wax, however one more recent use of the term is what interests me.

One method of La Mordida which is often considered a measure of one's skill at it, is paying the bribe or favor in such a method and/or fashion as to render it utterly useless to the recipient, be it "hot" goods, counterfeit money, drugs they can't possibly try to move cause they're stolen from someone really pissed off about it - there's many, many ways to pay out a bribe in a manner that renders it unusable to a recipient, if not downright dangerous to keep.

So I was thinkin, a little La Mordida of that type might be a pretty good way to discourage excessive Baksheesh - pretty sure I can sell that one to the Pashtun, if I can find a translator who can match of the concepts they'll likely take to it like a duck to water.

Still waitin for the imam to call, prolly ask him when he gets around to it, I doubt he slept well, meh heh heh.

-F

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