There's no such thing as weather wars!
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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 19, 2025 17:19
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Originally posted by rue:
Early dementia. So sad.
We know . And we're sad for you...
We'll send you a card with condolences...
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)
Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?
Mike
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It all depends on the signal and wavelength Mike, VHF / UHF are limited to line of sight with radio transmission, but HF signals bounce off the ionosphere... skywave we called it. Specialized antenna design can give you control to extend that range. Yagi antennas etc
This I have done myself, with portable 40 yr old equipment, I have received Radio Moscow ( as a demo at a recruiting drive, seems cool to folk who never seen it ) and had two way comms with Vancouver from Calgary over the Rocky Mountains.
From what I have read you can do similar things with radar...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/an-fps-118.htm
AN/FPS-118 Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter (OTH-B) Radar
The U.S. Air Force's over-the-horizon-backscatter (OTH-B) air defense radar system is by several criteria the largest radar system in the world. Six one-million-watt OTH radars see far beyond the range of conventional microwave radars by bouncing their 5-28-MHz waves off the ionosphere, an ionized layer about 200 km above the earth. It was developed over 25 years at a cost of $1.5 billion to warn against Soviet bomber attacks when the planes were still thousands of miles from US air space.
Not that I buy what PN said, ( way beyond my understanding of the tech )
But signal propagation off the atmosphere is relatively common.
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
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Just a clue , Rue...
Owning a radio receiver will not make you a radar expert...
Just a clue, Out2Lunch...
Claiming to be a radar expert on the internet will not make you one, any more than claiming to be an expert on the Federal Reserve will make you one...
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Not that I am really familiar with radar tech, etc
Could the circle not be the result of sunspots
with the ozone layer being thinner towards the poles, and the pic we are looking at being a composite picture of several Doppler radars,
perhaps the computer systems which blends the data together into one image tags an area of interference in such a manner
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)
Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
It all depends on the signal and wavelength Mike, VHF / UHF are limited to line of sight with radio transmission, but HF signals bounce off the ionosphere... skywave we called it. Specialized antenna design can give you control to extend that range. Yagi antennas etc
This I have done myself, with portable 40 yr old equipment, I have received Radio Moscow ( as a demo at a recruiting drive, seems cool to folk who never seen it ) and had two way comms with Vancouver from Calgary over the Rocky Mountains.
From what I have read you can do similar things with radar...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/an-fps-118.htm
AN/FPS-118 Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter (OTH-B) Radar
The U.S. Air Force's over-the-horizon-backscatter (OTH-B) air defense radar system is by several criteria the largest radar system in the world. Six one-million-watt OTH radars see far beyond the range of conventional microwave radars by bouncing their 5-28-MHz waves off the ionosphere, an ionized layer about 200 km above the earth. It was developed over 25 years at a cost of $1.5 billion to warn against Soviet bomber attacks when the planes were still thousands of miles from US air space.
Not that I buy what PN said, ( way beyond my understanding of the tech )
But signal propagation off the atmosphere is relatively common.
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
Gino, I don't disbelieve signal skipping; it's fairly common. What I dispute is Out2Lunch's claim that HAARP is "skipping" a coherent radar image tens of thousands of miles, and having it still maintain a perfectly circular shape, clearly enough to show up on composite satellite images.
Out2Lunch and PN are making an enormous leap of... well, I can't even call it a leap of faith, because it's even stupider than that; call it a leap of asinine - because what they're doing is, in essence, similar to saying "Ooh, look - something I don't understand. IT'S THE ALIENS! IT HAS TO BE THE ALIENS!!!"
It's those batshit leaps that lose me. I look at something that I don't understand how it happened, and I say, "Hmmm... that's odd; how did that happen?" They look and INSIST that it HAS TO BE something nefarious or otherworldly, and couldn't possibly be something mundane and everyday. And then they call anyone who questions their efficacy stupid. They're using the "...and then a miracle occurs" line of logic, and claiming a complete proof of theory.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by rue:
I'm kinda' thinking not.
Originally posted by OTB:
Exactly...
Thinking . NOT .
Originally posted by rue:
Early dementia. So sad.
Originally posted by OTB:
We know . And we're sad for you...
OTB: your replies have all the intelligence of 'so's your mother'. You still haven't answered Kwicko's question. You haven't shown us your radar credentials. And you haven't explained your failure to find the obvious mistake in WIKI, which you so triumphantly and embarrassingly cited.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?
No need to skip.
US Govt admnits that HAARP includes several sites in Alaska, thus making HAARP's composite transmitter 100s of miles wide.
Other nations have their own version of HAARP, including Russia.
Judging from this photo from Oz, a version of HAARP is installed on the ground at the center of this donut cloud. Whether run by USA or Oz, don't know. Try Google Earth to get a photo of it...
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Judging from this photo from Oz, a version of HAARP is installed on the ground at the center of this donut cloud. Whether run by USA or Oz, don't know. Try Google Earth to get a photo of it...
Go for it. Fetch, boy! FETCH!
This sounds like an awesome use of your time.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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"IT'S THE ALIENS! IT HAS TO BE THE ALIENS!!!"
Maybe it's the BritishNaziJewHomoQueen(hmmm ... homoqueen ... maybe there's a connection there)Bilderbergs.
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Originally posted by out2theblack:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.
Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .
What a capacity for overstating the obvious .
Thank you for your expert opinion .
With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...
Heh , heh...
But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask:
1. Could you expand on *exactly* how Doppler radar works? My 17-18 year old students can do this, so it shouldn't be too hard for an educated grown-up. Right? Please, give it a try... And don't cut and paste from wiki. I know how to check for that.
2. Explain how local weather patterns will never disrupt mapped patterns detected by radar scans. ie even with varied weather patterns moving across a continent, any "doppler radar" map will be perfectly symmetrical.
Oh, and I did a research project marginally related to the second question: the trajectory of sound waves in the atmosphere due to temperature and wind speed variation with altitude. I know how that works. So you'd best not respond like an idiot with no actual familiarity with wave propagation physics.
I just might end up ripping you a new one, son.
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