Iran's nuclear intentions?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6812089/Iran
-accused-of-testing-nuclear-bomb-triggers.html
Heads should roll
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Iran's nuclear intentions are obvious and already well covered ground as well. I forget who said it, but:
Have the ability to build or fire a nuke as a deterrent to incessant threats to invade or bomb Iran.
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Iran passed a UN deadline on thursday (apparently):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/jan/03/obama-talks-terror-i
ran-yemen
Quote:
~Iran, however, remains problematic. Tehran's quest for a domestic nuclear programme, and international efforts to prevent it from developing weapons, will this week enter into a new phase of diplomatic brinkmanship.
Last week, tens of thousands of supporters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime demonstrated in Tehran in organised protests against foreign interference in Iran's affairs.
Less remarked on was the fact that a deadline for Iran to accept a UN-brokered deal passed on Thursday and raised the prospect of a fresh round of sanctions against Tehran. The country is already under three sets of UN sanctions for its programme of uranium enrichment, the process that can eventually lead to making the key components of an atomic bomb.
Instead a senior Iranian figure said the west had just one month to come up with a better deal for it to swap its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel. The international community had to decide whether it will accept Iran's conditions, otherwise "Tehran will enrich uranium to a higher level," Manouchehr Mottaki, Iran's foreign minister, was quoted as saying on state television. "This is an ultimatum," he added.
Many experts, however, think any resolution to the situation is unlikely. Critics of Tehran have alleged that the regime is using negotiations as a delaying tactic while it pursues its nuclear weapons ambitions. They say that much of the programme remains shrouded in secrecy and doubt the country's stated peaceful intentions, accusing it instead of wanting to build a bomb.
Israel, which has been repeatedly threatened by Iran, has said it will not tolerate Iran becoming a nuclear power and Israeli hawks have often raised the prospect of using a military strike to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.
Most western diplomats believe such an attack would be a disaster that could ignite a much wider Middle Eastern conflict.
Next move, more sanctions?
Heads should roll
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Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged/
Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda pushed as "news" by the pro-war echo chamber wouldn't be so easy for folk who did not know in advance...
And remember, Niger Yellowcake, Kuwati Incubator Story, Iraq WMD - the "reliable sources" are anything BUT reliable, and often as not lying on purpose, so it's a wonder to me that anyone believes them, ever.
-Frem
There always has to be a price.
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I have been reading a great book on US - middleeast policy and history which explains thing in great detail... really recommend it
and if you put yourself in the other guys shoes you see why Americans are so disliked other there
http://www.amazon.ca/American-Raj-America-Muslim-World/dp/1554702216
I could type some of it here if anyone wants to discuss it
Frem said " And remember, Niger Yellowcake, Kuwati Incubator Story, Iraq WMD - the "reliable sources" are anything BUT reliable, and often as not lying on purpose, so it's a wonder to me that anyone believes them, ever. "
and others... many of the US intel sources have been inventing exactly what the US wants to hear, in order to get the US to act in ways that benefit them, for the money the US pays out, or simply to gain influence
when intel sources are anti Iranian groups who are fed the intel they are passing along from the Mossad... well " reliable " is out the window.
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists 
Lets party like its 1939
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Originally posted by kpo:
Iran passed a UN deadline on thursday (apparently):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/jan/03/obama-talks-terror-i
ran-yemenQuote:
~Iran, however, remains problematic. Tehran's quest for a domestic nuclear programme, and international efforts to prevent it from developing weapons, will this week enter into a new phase of diplomatic brinkmanship.
Last week, tens of thousands of supporters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime demonstrated in Tehran in organised protests against foreign interference in Iran's affairs.
Less remarked on was the fact that a deadline for Iran to accept a UN-brokered deal passed on Thursday and raised the prospect of a fresh round of sanctions against Tehran. The country is already under three sets of UN sanctions for its programme of uranium enrichment, the process that can eventually lead to making the key components of an atomic bomb.
Instead a senior Iranian figure said the west had just one month to come up with a better deal for it to swap its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel. The international community had to decide whether it will accept Iran's conditions, otherwise "Tehran will enrich uranium to a higher level," Manouchehr Mottaki, Iran's foreign minister, was quoted as saying on state television. "This is an ultimatum," he added.
Many experts, however, think any resolution to the situation is unlikely. Critics of Tehran have alleged that the regime is using negotiations as a delaying tactic while it pursues its nuclear weapons ambitions. They say that much of the programme remains shrouded in secrecy and doubt the country's stated peaceful intentions, accusing it instead of wanting to build a bomb.
Israel, which has been repeatedly threatened by Iran, has said it will not tolerate Iran becoming a nuclear power and Israeli hawks have often raised the prospect of using a military strike to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.
Most western diplomats believe such an attack would be a disaster that could ignite a much wider Middle Eastern conflict.
Next move, more sanctions?
Heads should roll
The thing is either offer them something substantial ( not just threats or sanctions ) or shut up and walk away. Iran will not be bullied, nor have they violated any treaties...
they see the " punishment " regime as the bullshit it is, they have the same rights as their neighbors... Israel, Pakistan, and India to build nuclear weapons if they so choose.... so why not sanction them as well ?
Bush signed deals which provides India with reactor fuel from the US, which makes more Indian fuel available for weapons...
double standards everywhere on this issue
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
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Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S. :)
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Quote:What if I love Persephone & hate Earth?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S. :)
The laughing Chrisisall
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I should make it clear that I'm not trying to beat the drum for war here (I'm not in favour of war), just pointing out something I see as a Real World 'storm on the horizon'.
Quote:
Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged/
Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda
I think the article you linked is propaganda: "U.S. intelligence has concluded..." - by 'U.S intelligence' it means a former CIA guy 17 years out of the service, with unidentified 'sources' and his own clear political agenda:
“'The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,' Giraldi said."
Quote:
Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S.
Or of loving Iran just for hating the U.S, and being willing to overlook all of Iran's faults and abuses, even those far worse than the U.S's. George Galloway Syndrome.
Heads should roll
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Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
I should make it clear that I'm not trying to beat the drum for war here (I'm not in favour of war), just pointing out something I see as a Real World 'storm on the horizon'.Quote:
Umm, you DO realize even our own intel goons, who have every reason to shovel that shit as fast as Nigerian yellowcake, have privately and quietly determined that document is a forgery, right ?
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/u-s-intelligence-found-iran-nuke-doc
ument-was-forged/
Of course, finding that admission buried under the landslide of propaganda
I think the article you linked is propaganda: "U.S. intelligence has concluded..." - by 'U.S intelligence' it means a former CIA guy 17 years out of the service, with unidentified 'sources' and his own clear political agenda:
“'The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,' Giraldi said."Quote:
Careful, Gino - Next thing you know, Geezer will be accusing you of loving Iran and hating the U.S.
Or of loving Iran just for hating the U.S, and being willing to overlook all of Iran's faults and abuses, even those far worse than the U.S's. George Galloway Syndrome.
Heads should roll
Which faults and abuse do you refer to ?
lets look at a West - Iran timeline to see why Iran may feel some hostility towards the West
1941 Iran invaded by Britain and Soviet Union
( reason, we think this neutral country might support Germany )
1946 Mohammed Reza Pahlavi installed as Shah
1951 Iran elects Dr Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister turning Iran into a democracy
1953 Mossadegh overthrown in a joint US British operation, Shah reistalled
1960s - 1970s Iranians suffer food shortages and poverty while the Shah provides the west with price controlled oil. Irans elite move Billions of dollars offshore while using the US and Israeli trained Savak intelligence service to torture and suppress any and all opposition groups
1979 Revolution in Iran
1980 - 1988 Supplied and Financed by the US Saddam Hussein invades Iran. Using Western provided cluster munitions, mustard and nerve gases Iran loses 500,000 dead, and another 750,000 seriously wounded or crippled in their defense.
1988 - present Irans economy has been the target of near crippling sanctions driven by the US
Iran has a unique system of government, but even with its faults is much more democratic than Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/iran_power/html/d
efault.stm
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
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