Dollhouse will not be airing in November

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Originally posted by khambilo:

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Let it die.

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1. I enjoy it.

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That's like saying "Let it live." And more power to ya! Actually... no! Not if it's at the expensive of another saying "Let it die." That seem right to you?

As for OPPYH's "Let it die" remark, I found nothing offensive about it, really. I might have said the same thing.

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(other related thread) Also I never thought of the episodes being pushed back as a better opportunity to get the word out and promote the show.

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See, this is where 'stretching' borders on pathetic. No offence to Joss or you, really; but when you get to the point where you're pitching not-airing your own show as good thing, just so people can spread the word (as if they couldn't do so while it was being aired), then all I can say, indeed, is: let it go already. It's over. Just make an entry in the log: "Patient died at 03:00 hours. Cause of death: massive systemic failure." And call it quits.

The ratings have been abyssmal. Dollhouse has basically been on life-support for a while now: artificially given life which it can, of itself, no longer sustain. To paraphrase our Captain: "You keep a show on the air that no one loves, and she'll shake you off just as sure as the turn of the worlds. Ratings keep her on the air when she oughtta fall down." Facing up to that, and saying "Let it die," without those ratings, is therefore no more than relinquishing one's struggle against reality.


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I'm going to try not spend a huge amount of time here because as I've said before, likely all of my arguments will fall on deaf ears.

First off, thanks Storymark for kinda playing the moderator here. I know you're not a fan of the show and I thank you for at least be respectful about that.

Also, thanks Two for your "think positively" post, because when you're a fan of the show and you hear news like this, its hard to think positively. This combined with Joss's comments on the schedule have actually been somewhat encouraging in respect to the survival of the show.

Second, I want to give some rebuttal on some of the things that have since been posted.

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Originally posted by STORYMARK
When most hardcore Joss fans don't even like the show, you can't continually blame the marketing. Eventually, you have to sit back and admit, maybe the show just ain't working (at least, not for enough people to be worth it).

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That's a very relative statement -"most", "hardcore". And what really constitutes a "hardcore" fan? In your eyes, does liking Dollhouse make people less of a hardcore Joss fan? Many would argue that a true hardcore Joss fan loves EVERYTHING he puts out. I don't feel that way. I was never a huge fan of Angel. I watched and enjoyed it sort of, but not as much as I enjoyed Firefly or Buffy. Does that make me less of a hardcore Joss fan?

This a problem when considering the show, because it isn't Buffy. And for us Firefly fans, after the crushing cancellation of Firefly we expected Joss's next show to be like it. But we got Dollhouse, which is admittedly a much different show, but not a worse show, it's simply not Firefly.

Instead of snarky Buffy staking the demon of the week, we get a group of injured souls struggling to become self aware.
Instead of an imperious Alliance who will crush all without batting an eyelash, we get a deeply complex lead of the Dollhouse who struggles with her own convictions and justifications about what she does. Instead of Xander or Wash, Joss's classic funny men, we get Topher, who is also a funny man, but falls farther than either of them because of not paying attention to his convictions.

These all resemble Joss stereotypes, but are much deeper and thought out than their previous incarnations.

Dollhouse is different, but that does not detract from the show, and in fact, only enhances it.

As for the marketing of the show, I've never seen a single ad for the show aired except for after the latest episode. Many people simply don't know the show exists because of this. Joss basically said in his response to this the websites like whyiwatch are doing a better job of getting the word out than Fox is. That's bad marketing, and it can be continually blamed until the marketing strategy changes. If the marketing changes and the show's ratings don't improve, then thats when you can stop blaming the marketing.

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I think his fatal flaw was coming up with a show without a sympathetic lead the audience can root for, with a premise that is difficult to market.

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This true and not true. However, if Fox had marketed Dollhouse like a spy thriller, which is a broader way to look at what Dollhouse is, the viewership might have been better.

Also, with regards to the sympathetic leads and a premise thats difficult to market, Firefly had a difficult to market premise as well - a western, set in space - which shied many away from it without even watching an episode. And though largely our group of big damn heroes was sympathetic, but even Joss pointed out in the commentary the he purposely made Mal shoot the Alliance agent at the end of the pilot to distance him from the audience and make him less sympathetic.

For Dollhouse, I would argue that you can sympathize with the dolls as well because you want them to become self aware and to break free of their circumstances at the Dollhouse.

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That's like saying "Let it live." And more power to ya! Actually... no! Not if it's at the expensive of another saying "Let it die

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