I want my $17 TRILLION of bailout money back, gorramit.
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Saturday, March 14, 2026 00:52
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"On 24 November 2008 the U.S. government announced a massive bailout of Citigroup, designed to rescue the company from bankruptcy while giving the government a major say in its operations. The Treasury will provide another $20 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds in addition to $25 billion given in October. The Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) will cover 90% of the losses on its $335-billion portfolio after Citigroup absorbs the first $29 billion in losses"
This all happened before Bush left office and by the time Bush moved out Citigroup was only worth $33 billion. We could have owned the whole thing for a whole lot less than we loaned them and then...."in late 2008, Citigroup paid hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to more than 1038 of its employees. This included 738 employees each receiving $1 million in bonuses, 176 employees each receiving $2 million bonuses, 124 each receiving $3 million in bonuses, and 143 each receiving bonuses of $4 million to more than $10 million."
BTW It's single largest shareholder? Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia
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MAX BAUCUS, INSURANCE SHILL
Boot his a$$ off the Hill.
SignyM, I've missed ya. There was a brief honeymoon of hope, I don't think we've agreed so much since we were both busy hating Bush
Don't hate Obama, but boy is this a disasterous policy. Gotta love those new war spending supplementals too... And everyone catch Gates gunning for the mininukes?
A few points on why Robert Gates is a lying sack of maggots:
1. There's no unique use for the bunker buster other than as a portable nuke.
2. By the pentagon's own estimates, the bunker buster can reach 3-12 feet under ground, and the Iranian nuclear facilities are 600 feet underground (somehow I find myself wondering if those matrix scenes were made to make us believe in the drilling missile.)
3. A so called bunker buster nuke carries about 12 time the payload of the bombs we used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The most effective target is generally agreed to be a civilian population, or an industrial plant, which tends to be surrounded by a civilian population.
4. So, a mininuke is a weapon that can be used to kill around 5 million, given population densities and blast radius. If the terrorists on 9-11 had used these instead of airplanes, they would have taken out half the isle of manhattan, wester long island and northern new jersey, incl. jersey city.
5. Has everyone forgotten Russia saying "If the US attacks Iran, Russia will respond in kind with whatever weapons we choose to use"? Personally, I find that a somewhat disturbing statement, given the somewhat disturbing policy we are currently using. Yes, our "missile defense systems" can launch mininukes at Iran. I wouldn't want to go down in history as the guy who incorrectly tried to call Russia's bluff.
Sorry, so far, looks to me like we have the same batsh*t crazy channel, different anchorman. I feel sorry for the dude, but he has the power, and he better start firing these psychos soon, and I'm looking at you, too, McChrystal.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Jong, IF YOU HAD BEEN READING MY POSTS- which is clear that you HAVEN'T- I've been against the bailout almost since it started. I just got the total damages, isall. So, as our Governator has said (in a movie) Fuck you, asshole.
You got it wrong again ....you're the asshole here. Your Obama is taking Govt intrusion to new heights. He's got his hands in everything we do, our banks, our insurance co's, car companies, what we eat & drink, and even what we think. The guy is a crybaby whiner, and a meglomaniac with an ego as big as the Chicago corruption cesspool which bred him. Wait 'til young people get their Govt. "fines" in the mail for not having mandated insurance. I'm sure they'll be "fine" with it. And when small businesses get their "fines" for not having insurance for all, I'm sure they'll just go out and hire more people, right? Is that the fucking plan? When did a Liberal Leftist EVER create one fucking job in America? Sure, go after all those that provide jobs, demonize them, and use all the power of the White House to create and attack their enemies list...And you love the Govt. take-overs of businesses, & you wet yourself over the White House media wars to demonize every iota of American strength and tradition, just as any self-rightous socialist douche like you has dreamt of all your pathetic life.
See Signy, I have read your posts, and they consistently give testimony that you are anti-Capitalism, anti-America, anti-military, anti-religion, and of course anti-Israel. What that leaves for you to actually believe in is exactly what we have now. A bunch of clueless socialists and radicals trying desperately to destroy America in every way possible, or at the very least transform America into European socialism. Funny though, those countries are now electing Conservatives in favor of the Leftists (finally), just as America is being warned by them (the French chastising us!)that we're headed down the wrong path. And by the way, let me return the favor and say FUCK YOU too.
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Jongsie, can you show us one of those "European socialist" countries you're talking about?
Oh, and you should really look into those "right"-wing people you claim are being elected. They tend to stand about 3 light years to the left of Obama on most social issues.
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Hello Dreamtrove,
You may have misspoken to some degree on the subject of Bunker Buster Bombs.
'Bunker Busters' were originally termed 'Earthquake bombs' and have been in use since WWII for the purpose of destroying sub-surface or hardened targets. The largest of them can penetrate 20 feet of Reinforced Concrete. The damage they cause, however, does not necessarily require complete penetration. They create devastation in surrounding ground when they explode. This is why they were called Earthquake Bombs when they were first deployed (By the British, if memory serves) in the 1940's.
There are plans for placing nuclear warheads on Bunker Busters to create massive subsurface explosions. Again, this would be useful for sub-surface or hardened targets. It would be a poor choice for the destruction of non-hardened surface targets, which are best eradicated with air-bursting nuclear munitions. (A hundred feet or more above the ground.)
Bunker Busters are absolutely the wrong types for delivering nuclear munitions to cities or surface targets. The military has no need for the MOAB Bunker Busters as a mini-nuke platform in the sense that you suggest. The US military is rife with mini-nuke delivery systems, and can drum up a warhead of desirable size to strike almost anywhere on the Earth within an hour's notice. Perhaps less.
Bunker Busters have had a verifiable and good combat use since before the first ever deployment of a nuclear weapon, and have been used in the field with conventional warheads for 60 years.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
See Signy, I have read your posts, and they consistently give testimony that you are anti-Capitalism, anti-America, anti-military, anti-religion, and of course anti-Israel.
HEY!
I'm anti-Capitalism (Only), anti-America(n government that HURTS America & the world), anti-military (used on a whim), anti-religion (stuffed down our throats in the name of "Family Values" or some such), and of course anti-Israel (when it comes to brave settlers shooting wild Indians, errr, Palestinians).
So where does that leave me?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Good dude. I have tea & crumpets with him on Sundays.
Originally posted by Mangolo:
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:I find it telling that you would list capitalism FIRST, before America. But in any case... yep, I'm anti-capitalist.
See Signy, I have read your posts, and they consistently give testimony that you are anti-Capitalism
So BTW, can you show me in the Constitution where it says our country is supposed to be capitalist? Because in all of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, nowhere do I find any statement that promotes capitalism. In fact, I haven't even found the RIGHT TO OWN PROEPRTY. I think you have your loyalties confused.
Quote:nope. I think you have your loyalities confused.
anti-America
Quote:Anti-Empire. Just like the Founding Fathers. I think you have your loyalities confused.
anti-military
Quote:Naturally. IMHO religion is mass insanity. Why should I endorse it? The FF thought the same about organized religion. I think you have your loyalties confused.
anti-religion
Quote:So??? Since when are 'we' Israel??? I think you have your loyalties confused.
and of course anti-Israel
Quote:It seems to me that you would have accused the Founding Fathers of the SAME things you're accusing me. Like I said: I think you have your loyalties confused. America is not a religious government. It is not Israel. It was not founded to be capitalist. It was not intended to be an empire. The exact opposite is true. Please re-read the Constitution. Once you have diabused yourself of your ignorance, and gotten your nose unstuck from capitalism's/religion's/Israel's ass, THEN you can come back and talk to me about how disloyal I am to "America".
What that leaves for you to actually believe in is exactly what we have now. A bunch of clueless socialists and radicals trying desperately to destroy America in every way possible, or at the very least transform America into European socialism.
Quote:Considering the source...
Funny though, those countries are now electing Conservatives in favor of the Leftists (finally), just as America is being warned by them (the French chastising us!)that we're headed down the wrong path. And by the way, let me return the favor and say FUCK YOU too.
Now, as to where I ACTUALLY stand...
I am for the American people. Not just the rich. I think government in general, and OUR government in particular, can have a positive role to play. I just want it to be on MY side, not hostage to moneyed interests. If you care to address my REAL concerns... instead of YOUR religiously-held beliefs in capitalism, empire, and religion... feel free. But right now, you're just straw-manning your fears.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
See Signy, I have read your posts, and they consistently give testimony that you are anti-Capitalism, anti-America, anti-military, anti-religion, and of course anti-Israel.
HEY!
I'm anti-Capitalism (Only), anti-America(n government that HURTS America & the world), anti-military (used on a whim), anti-religion (stuffed down our throats in the name of "Family Values" or some such), and of course anti-Israel (when it comes to brave settlers shooting wild Indians, errr, Palestinians).
So where does that leave me?
The laughing Chrisisall
I'm not sure with you Chris....perhaps it leaves you in need of another session with Dr. Adams' neural neutralizer.
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