Season 6 was the biggest piece of shit ever.
POSTED BY: kookytree
UPDATED: Sunday, July 7, 2002 13:17
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Originally posted by kookytree:
To be honest, I dont wanna get in a bitch-slap contest. Theres no point. I come in peace.
Stay kooky.
Ok, reading over my last few posts, I feel like maybe I was a little harsh, but I stand by my argument. Yes, we may have different opinions, but we may have similar ones as well.
There's no point in bickering, which is what was starting to happen. And to tell the truth, I would have probably kept at it had you not ended it.
I understand your points, really I do... I agree with many of them... and maybe I would have acted the same way if I had felt as strongly disappointed.
So yes... peace is good :) Lots of happy peace
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Just to defend myself, I feel i should just extend what I was saying. The reason I felt so let down by Season 6 was because it had some of the best ideas of the entire series, but the way they were written was just awful. I'm talking mainly about the ridiculous Willow Is Addicted To Heroin storyline. Oops! Did I say heroin? I meant magick. As someone who experimented a little with pagansim and the like when I was a teenager, there was some stuff that niggled me right at the beginning, like the continued use of the word "warlock", when this is considered an insult by most pagans. Of course thats a silly little thing but its representative of a bigger picture. The series' depiction of magick is clearly not the same as that practised by Wiccans- last time I checked people couldnt get addicted to magick in the way Willow did, and green rays couldnt shoot from peoples' hands. So why the use of the word "Wicca"? And why has the depiction of magick this season changed so differently from previous seasons??
Also, as i said B4, the opportunity to make Willow's continued use of magick a storyline about a girl who has always had issues with who she is (see Restless) and always used magick to make things simpler rather than dealing with things herself (Lovers Walk, Wild At Heart, Something Blue, Tabula Rasa) was great, but instead it became a very obvious metaphor for drug use- IMO the worst scene this entire season was in Wrecked when Buffy found Amy trying to get herbs or whatever from willow's room- stupid for *so* many reasons.
And the Spuffy thing had huge potential. Overall it was OK, but it was so painfully clear that each writer had their own take on it that each week it felt like a different relationship.
And if Buffy was only boinking Spike because it made her "feel" for a while (no pun intended), then why the miserable sex face in Doublemeat Palace?? If the only reason for the relationship on her side was the passion and fire, then this just didnt make sense.
Indeed I think S6 was just *too* uneventful- big gaps of nothing interesting happening- the entire ep of Doublemeat Palace was incredibly dull.
Another big flaw was the alienation of the male audience. Its well known within UPN that the male demographic of Buffy watchers has fallen hugely, despite UPN being much more male-aimed than the WB. It could be that, perhaps even including Spike, there is no significant male character around anymore. And on that point--- the departure of Giles. This was, IMO, the big flaw of season 6, meaning it lost any real focus or balance.
Despite what many people have said, I personally welcomed the darkness of this season. It actually surprised me that many peeps felt that this was the big flaw, because seasons two,three and five were all very dark and depressing in places(one of my favourite ever Buffy moments is Buffy breaking down juxtaposed with the hokey Latino muzak). And look at the Body!! Noone could ever call that uplifting, but its accepted as one of Buffys finest hours. This series suits darkness very well, but it relies on comic relief to contrast the deep, dark stuff, and strengthen it. Thus Intervention, after 2 eps of bleakness and sorrow, was very welcome. But there have been no light, witty, funy eps this year. I think this has something to do with the lessened presence of JAne Espenson, whose writing I love (lets forgive 'er Doublemeat). Tabula Rasa could be a candidate, as could the fantastic musical, but they both containing some of the most heartbreaking bits of the series, as opposed to comedy classics like Bewitched, Bothered and Band Candy. Sometimes you just need an hour to laugh and chill in between the claustophobic depressing eps, and there was no adequate light relief this season, which just made it too bleak for words.
Another thing that really bugs me is the characterisation of Dawn. The Scoobs were never this whiny when they were 15, and sure its down to them babying her, but this was never explored. Instead we got the klepto stuf, which again had potential but was handled very
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Okay, I really should stop posting over and over lol, but I just thought of a sentiment which encapsulates why I feel season six failed.
The complete lack of subtlety.
Let it fester children! I'm out.
Oh yeh, and does anyone know when, or if, Firefly will be broadcast in the UK?
Stay kooky.
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Originally posted by kookytree:
Okay, I really should stop posting over and over lol, but I just thought of a sentiment which encapsulates why I feel season six failed.
The complete lack of subtlety.
That is it. I've been searching for the reason, and various aspects relating to lack of subtlty have come up, but it just clicked.
The biggest flaw of season 6 is that it lacked subtlety... except for the performances, which I thought were very subtle and effective.
It's weird that we ever argued, Kooky, cause we basically have the exact same opinions on the various aspects of season 6. Except that you hated it, and I enjoyed the good more than any other season.
Some of the best moments for me:
-Bargaining, Part 1: Willow killing the baby deer. It just proved how much the girl had changed... how desperate she was to ressurect Buffy (or how desperate she was to prove she was a powerful witch/person).
-Bargaining, Part 2: Tinkerbell Tara.
-Spike gets a motorcycle
-After Life: Spike's story about saving Buffy every night.
-After Life: Anya cutting her face with the knife. I just thought that was too creepy.
-After Life: Buffy telling Spike about Heaven.
-Flooded: The Trio's super-cool mission statemen. See also, The Trio's plan on their dry erase board.
-Flooded: "No! More! Full! Copper! Repipe!"
-Life Serial: Looping Magic Shop.
-Life Serial: Kitten Poker
-Life Serial: Buffy with the hard liquor.
-Life Serial, OMwF: The use of the Magic Store door bell as a transitional device.
-All The Way: Anya's dance of capitalist superiority
-All of Once More, With Feeling, especially Xander's Magnolia reference
-Tabula Rasa: Randy, the vampire with a soul.
-Tabula Rasa: Joan, the super hero.
-Tabula Rasa: Willow and Tara's relationship with amnesia.
-Smashed: The house falls down.
-Smashed: Magic Spree with Amy
-Gone: "You will kill them all"
-Dead Things: Warren enjoys killing someone.
-Dead Things: Time shifting demons. (btw, I *hate* Dead Things)
-Hell's Bells: Anya's wedding vows.
-Normal Again: Buffy in the basement, in so much anguish and trying to kill her friends.
-Entropy: Anya's quest for a wish against Xander.
-Entropy: Spanya (by the way, James A. Contner directed Entropy as well)
-Seeing Red: Bathroom scene. That was a *powerful* scene.
-Seeing Red: Tara's death/Buffy's shooting. Devestating... anything that can make me feel pain like that is worth noting.
-Seeing Red: Spike's lamentation to Clem.
-Clem
-Villains: Words soaking into Willow's skin.
-Villains: The entire forest scene with Willow and Warren. "Bored now"
-Two to Go: Jonathon pulling the sword on Andrew. Something about this scene hit me hard. All they wanted was to be important, to lead a comic book life... and Jonathon got to be the hero instead of the villain.
-Two to Go: The teleportation... what an *awesome* effect. Hat's off to the director if this.
-Two to Go: Shaft-Giles. He had me cheering.
-Grave: Willow sucking the power from Giles and feeling that wave of emotion that helps to unlock her humanity.
-Grave: Dawn strikes back.
-Grave: Crayon Breaky Willow speech.
-Grave: Buffy crawling out of the grave.
So, that's 40 scenes out of 22 hours... maybe the season *could* have been a lot better than that...
EDITED TO ADD: God, I must be so annoying with the multiple long posts...
--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
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I would like to say that your post did make me a think a bit. I realize that, while I will never like it, this season was probably better from a quality standpoint than Season 4. Did I think that this season had more bad episodes that I really hated (as opposed to bad episodes that I could live with 
)? Possibly.
But, did the season also have some of the best episodes I've ever seen? Yes (and those episodes include Tabula Rasa, and the 2-part finale as well as the obvious OMWF). As an asside I think part of the problem was in knowing they were coming back for next season which caused them to...hesitate on going all out on the Willow angle (had to keep her around for next year after all ) and that futzed up the works for parts of it.
Oh well, for good or ill Whedon must not have hated things that much since it seems that Ms. Noxon is coming back next year. Also, you are right in that several people on staff came into their own during the course of the season (I know Steve Denight did as he went from someone who once wrote for 4 seasons of MTV's Undressed to a surprisingly talented writer with a surprising ability to "twist the knife" in a dark manner) so this year wasn't a total loss (and it could mean good things next year...hey maybe this "optimism" thing isn't so bad after all ).
Also, I'd like to apologize for some of the nastier things I said in that post as it wasn't warranted at all.
Nathan - remember, only you can prevent emoticon abuse 
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Originally posted by millernate:
(and it could mean good things next year...hey maybe this "optimism" thing isn't so bad after all
*adopts a coach-like pep-talk voice* That's the attitude I like to hear.
Optimism = much happy good times.
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