Will Smith's I, Robot... looking back, was it great or what?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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SIGNO060

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:38 PM

First off someone asked some questions about the Matrix I was answering them. Second my point was that The Matrix like I,Robot is a work of fiction and debating the science of fictional stories is pointless. Third this was about I,Robot the movie not the books. I,Robot the movie would not have happened if it wasn't for the Matrix. Number one because AI stories were brought back into the lime light thanks to the Matrix. Number Two every action scene in I,Robot is a Matrix slow motion, bullet time rip. Will Smith flying through the air on a motorcycle pulling out two guns in slow motion and shooting Robots, is such a ridiculous Matrix rip-off, its not even funny. Number three I,Robot is another "Time for Will Smith to save the world movie". He plays the same role we have seen him in too many times. The outsider detective who is thought to have some crazy ideas about a suspect that leads to a plot of world destruction. Hmmm that well that sounds alot like Men in Black. Was I the only one to notice that scene when he chased that robot down at the beginning of the movie was alot like him chasing the alien down at the beginning of Men In Black? My final word about this: The Matrix is a better movie because it was original. I,Robot was a corporate hollywood adaptation of book, with recycled story lines that while getting across the themes of the story without making people think to much, fails to execute in other areas namely action (where lame rip-offs of Matrix style action just degrade the film) and special effects.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by signo060:
The Matrix is a better movie because it was original. I,Robot was a corporate hollywood adaptation of book

I can't argue with this.

The laughing Chrisisall

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:40 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by signo060:
The Matrix is a better movie because it was original. I,Robot was a corporate hollywood adaptation of book
I can't argue with this.

Wrongisall finally gets it right.

IMNOTHERE

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by signo060:
Number Two every action scene in iRobot is a Matrix slow motion, bullet time rip.

Every scene in every action movie for a few years after The Matrix seemed to be a Matrix bullet-time ripoff - not fair to single out iRobot!

What I would say that The Matrix and iRobot have in common was that on both occasions I walked out of the cinema thinking "wow!".

Sadly, in the latter case it was "wow, that only pissed on Asimov's grave a little bit!" - I'd been expecting far, far worse.

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debating the science of fictional stories is pointless

I'd disagree with that - good science fiction tries to get as much of the science right as it can, and to keep the fantasy science & prediction self-consistent - picking holes is part of the fun. It helps to avoid fantasy science which we know is impossible (even FTL travel is a bit out of vogue - yay Firefly!)

ROCKETJOCK

Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:33 AM

The original, early-draft idea of the nature of The Matrix was that, lacking a energy source as abundant as solar power to run their hardware, the AI programs adapted to running themselves on WETWARE, ie, the human nervous system, linked into a kind of biologic mainframe. Humans wouldn't have been "coppertops" so much as "microchips". This would have required keeping the humans both alive and sentient/educated so as to keep the minds usable to the (now parasitic) AIs. Presumably the fusion power would be used to power grow-lights for some kind of farming to feed the humans, thus avoiding the closed-loop power paradox.

Unfortunately, that idea was deemed too cerebral and esoteric by some studio suits, so they required the idea be dumbed down to the "Humans as power source" idea.

On the subject of "I, Robot"-- It's not a bad Sci-Fi murder mystery in its own right, but, like the Tristar Godzilla movie, I would have enjoyed it a lot more if it had a different name, since it had next to nothing to do with the book. This is, by the way, another example of executive interference -- the draft had nothing to do with Asimov's work except for using the three laws -- which Asimov specifically threw into public domain, so long as he was credited as their creator. Despite this, the legal department decided that they had to acquire the rights to the book to avoid the possibility of a nuisance lawsuit, and since they now had the rights, why not shoot for name recognition?

Thus we see that the true "Phantom Menace" of SF film is Studio Executives. . .

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

Unfortunately, that idea was deemed too cerebral and esoteric by some studio suits, so they required the idea be dumbed down to the "Humans as power source" idea.

That's freakin' tragic is what it is.

The laughing Chrisisall

IMNOTHERE

Friday, June 12, 2009 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
I would have enjoyed it a lot more if it had a different name, since it had next to nothing to do with the book.

Well, its hardly surprising it didn't follow the book, since the book was a collection of short stories...

However, the idea of a three-laws computer generalizing the laws to justify killing in the name of protecting "humanity" and setting themselves up as guardians, is well and truly taken from Asimov's books (at least one story in I, Robot, plus its a central theme of the later Elija Bailey books) - and the whole murder mystery angle is very Asimov.

I thought it captured the spirit - the typical Asimov plot would be a bit talky and slow moving for a mass market movie anyway.

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