Star Trek Better Second Time

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UPDATED: Sunday, May 24, 2009 21:47
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MACBAKER

Friday, May 22, 2009 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

And as to the side issue of Spock’s marooning of Kirk – I see this as the first evidence of his “Emotional Compromise”. After all, in TOS it was shown that Spock could telepathically “feel” the death of a single shipload of Vulcans at great distance – how much worse to feel the death of literal billions from close orbit. It’s a wonder he wasn’t reduced to a vegetable.

"I have been, and always shall be, your friend." -- Spock Prime

I've seen a lot of nitpicking over the Delta Vega scene, where Spock witnesses the destruction of Vulcan. In a literal sense, it's impossible for the view shown to happen. For Vulcan to appear that close, Delta Vega would have to be a moon orbiting around Vulcan. Two problems there. One, Vulcan has no moons! Two, Vulcan is a hot planet, which suggests it's close to it's star, so any moon in orbit around this "hot" planet would probably not be an ice planet.

I didn't take this scene as literal. I took it as a visual representation of what Spock saw and felt in his mind, as billions of Vulcans died in a matter of minutes.

In the original series (as you noted) Spock felt the Defiant die light years away. Spock surely felt the death of Vulcan the same way!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

GOOSE5068

Friday, May 22, 2009 3:00 AM

I thought the movie was good as a stand alone movie not as part of the Star Trek series. What the movie did was disregard everything that was enstalled in the origional series and all the other series. There were so many inconsistancies that I wish the movie was never made. Also don't even get me started on the beaming sequences. This movie was a low blow to any Star Trek fan out there in my opinion. In my opinion this movie can never be part of Star Trek cannon.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 22, 2009 5:08 AM

Speaking of Archer, what happened there? Wasn't Star Trek: Enterprise set on the Enterprise? the NCC1701 prime? So in this movie, it was just built, right? So Archer has nt yet happpened, is that it?
Forgive my ignorance, I wasn't able to follow Enterprise much.

Am I confused about this? Is it explained?

ROCKETJOCK

Friday, May 22, 2009 1:09 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Speaking of Archer, what happened there? Wasn't Star Trek: Enterprise set on the Enterprise? the NCC1701 prime?

Nope, Archer's Enterprise was an earlier version than Kirk's, Reg # NX-01.

"So, the Enterprise has had its maiden voyage, has it? She is one well-endowed lady! I'd like to get my hands on her ample nacelles if you'll pardon the engineering parlance." -- Montgomery Scott

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 22, 2009 1:16 PM

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Originally posted by MacBaker:
Vulcan is a hot planet, which suggests it's close to it's star, so any moon in orbit around this "hot" planet would probably not be an ice planet.

There are many conditions under which that could be possible; my problem was with the seeming Earth-norm gravity...

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Friday, May 22, 2009 3:20 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:

Huh? And what does that have to do with my statement.....?

I wasn't talking about how they're made. I'm talking about lame excuses. I have no idea what you're going on about now.

Movies are made by dudes like you and me, but sometimes with less technical knowledge & creativity... just connections. We gotta like 'em or not, but true genius is a rarity in big money entertainment. JJ is creative, but not a genius. Take his stuff for what it's worth.
Movies are what they are- big on looks and generally small on intellect.

The laughing Chrisisall

I still don't accept that. Lazy rationalization. I'm not saying these guys are geniuses... but some things are flippin obviouse.

But that excuse is bollocks, flat out. You're only making suh a lame excuse because you like the film, and don't want to be critical of any part. If someone were to use that excuse with you for a movie they loved, but you didn't, you'd find it just as weak.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Friday, May 22, 2009 3:22 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Speaking of Archer, what happened there? Wasn't Star Trek: Enterprise set on the Enterprise? the NCC1701 prime? So in this movie, it was just built, right? So Archer has nt yet happpened, is that it?
Forgive my ignorance, I wasn't able to follow Enterprise much.

Am I confused about this? Is it explained?

Geez, the ships don't even look simmilar.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 22, 2009 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
If someone were to use that excuse with you for a movie they loved, but you didn't, you'd find it just as weak.

True.

The laughing Chrisisall

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, May 22, 2009 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by MacBaker:
Vulcan is a hot planet, which suggests it's close to it's star

Speaking as an astronomer, Vulcan does not have to be close to it's parent star at all. Vulcan is a planet that is volcanically active. So is Io, a moon of jupiter. Io is pulled and pushed by gravity causing internal give and take. This heats up the core and causes magma to burst forth.

What I'm getting at is that the proximity of a planet to a star does not bear upon that planet's vulcanic behavior. I once read a great non-canon explaination that Vulcan was hot because there was a gas giant in an orbit much like Mars exists in our star system. As Vulcan orbits it passes close to the gas giant once a year (actually slightly more than a year since the giant orbits too) and at that time the star pulls Vulcan one way and the giant another. The result is an annual series of eruptions that exist as a part of the Vulcan cultural life.

SHINY

Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:47 PM

What bugged me more than the promotions was the fact that there wasn't a single ship (or even shuttle) anywhere on Vulcan or Earth that tried to attack the cable holding up the drill. I understand not being able to stand up in a full fire-fight with the superior ship, but come on, it's a freaking cable!!!

That said, I still loved the movie. :)

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