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Breaking news - Obama admin will NOT press charges of 'TORTURE' on CIA agents.

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Thursday, April 23, 2009 21:59
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Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:57 PM

Not going forward w/ the case.

Huh.


Far easier to throw stones from outside the house than it is to sit in the big chair and make big boy decisions, huh Barry ?

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No charges against CIA officials for waterboarding
By JENNIFER LOVEN and DEVLIN BARRETT – 10 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Thursday informed CIA officials who used waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics on terror suspects that they will not be prosecuted, senior administration officials told The Associated Press.
Even before President Barack Obama took office in January, aides signaled his administration was not likely to bring criminal charges against CIA employees for their roles in the secret, coercive terrorist interrogation program. It had been deemed legal at the time through opinions issued by the Justice Department under the Bush administration.
But the statement being issued Thursday by Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, is the first definitive assurance that those CIA officials are in the clear, as long as their actions were in line with the legal advice at the time.
The officials spoke about the Holder statement ahead of its release on condition of anonymity, so as not to pre-empt the attorney general.
The CIA has acknowledged using waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning, on three high-level terror detainees in 2002 and 2003, with the permission of the White House and the Justice Department. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said waterboarding has not been used since, but some human rights groups have urged Obama to hold CIA employees accountable for what they, and many Obama officials and others around the world, say was torture.
The Holder statement was being issued by the Justice Department along with the release of four significant Bush-era legal opinions governing — in graphic and extensive detail — the interrogation of terror detainees, the officials said. One of the memos was produced by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel in August 2002, the other three in 2005.
The memos, released to meet a court-approved deadline in a lawsuit against the government in New York by the American Civil Liberties Union, detail the dozen harsh techniques approved for use by CIA interrogators, the officials said. A statement from Obama was also being released along with Holder's comments and the documents.
One memo specifically authorized a method for combining multiple techniques, a practice human rights advocates argue is particularly harmful and crosses the line into torture even if any of the individual methods do not.
The Obama administration last month released nine legal memos related to the interrogation program, and probably will release more as the lawsuit proceeds. But the four released Thursday represent the fullest accounting by the government of the methods authorized and used, and is the complete list, the officials said.
There is very little redaction, or blacking out, of detail in the memos, the officials said.
The methods include keeping detainees naked for long periods, keeping them in a painful standing position for long periods, and depriving them of solid food. Other tactics included using a plastic neck collar to slam detainees into walls, keeping the detainee's cell cold for long periods, and beating and kicking the detainee. Sleep-deprivation, prolonged shackling, and threats to a detainee's family were also used.
Among the things not allowed in the memo were allowing a prisoner's body temperature or caloric intake to fall below a certain level, because either could cause permanent damage, the officials said.
The techniques were applied to 14 suspects considered very senior terrorists.
Many of the methods were detailed in a secret 2007 report by the International Committee of the Red Cross. The New York Review of Books recently obtained a copy of the report.
The ACLU suit has sought to use the Freedom of Information Act to shed light on the treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody abroad — even though the Bush

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:03 PM

Wow. After years and years of the Left screeching like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs about TORTURE!!! , we're not gonna change a thing, it appears.


coolio



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:05 PM

Obama is starting to suck a little.
Oh well.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:09 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Obama is starting to suck a little.
Oh well.


The laughing Chrisisall



Does this not give you one moment for pause ? Maybe, that if even if Mr Obamarrific himself won't pursue charges on the issue of torture, that maybe, JUST maybe, Bush and Cheney weren't as evil as the Left had tried to paint?

Such revelations are painful, I know, but try to face the man in the mirror and say.... " What if I was wrong ?"

Be brave, young Jedi. Be very brave.



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:13 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Does this not give you one moment for pause ? Maybe, that if even if Mr Obamarrific himself won't pursue charges on the issue of torture, that maybe, JUST maybe, Bush and Cheney weren't as evil as the Left had tried to paint?


No, Mr. Genius, it means that Obama is playing the Washington Game by the rules.
Status Quo we can believe in.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:19 PM

There are 4 lights, Chris.


4.



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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does this not give you one moment for pause ? Maybe, that if even if Mr Obamarrific himself won't pursue charges on the issue of torture, that maybe, JUST maybe, Bush and Cheney weren't as evil as the Left had tried to paint?


Does the fact that he's just carrying on like Bush not make you like him more?

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

Does the fact that he's just carrying on like Bush not make you like him more?

No, AU still hates him because he talks like a Socialist.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:29 PM

A honest question from CITIZEN ?

Pinch me.

What's to like ? There's a REASON why he's carrying on , just like Bush, on this matter. While Mr Obamarrific has no problems making SWEEPING changes in most other areas of Government, he's sorta changed his tune on such matters on how to treat terrorist. Sure, we might not call them that any more, but we'll sure TREAT them the same.

We'll give concessions to Iran and N.Korea, but we'll still not pamper the Islamo terrorist. ]

I'd say why doesn't that give YOU pause to think on for a while ? So many across the board changes, in all areas, yet THIS one remains the same? Don't seem quite right, do it ?

Guess things weren't as bad as some others , politically motivated as they were, had claimed.






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Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

Does the fact that he's just carrying on like Bush not make you like him more?

No, AU still hates him because he talks like a Socialist.


Really? I thought it had something to do with the D...

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