Sorry, why is whether Obama bowed to the Saudi King an issue again?
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It almost looked to me like he overextended and stumbled a bit. If it was a bow, it was rushed and clumsy, but that's just my perception. Maybe the denials are a case of not wanting to say something like "The President had a temporary lapse in depth perception and grace."
Gosh, just think if he'd actually fallen and bowled over the King. That could've been really bad. 
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"Tell you what Rap -
Why don't you look up Bush's failings ? And only post something about Obama's if his are unique, more frequent, or worse than whatever Bush has done."
Hello,
I see this a lot on RWED. An incident is not judged solely on its own merits, but rather compared to someone else's incidents. In the case of establishing precedent, this can be valuable.
However, this is often NOT done for establishing precedent "Is it common for US Presidents to bow to foreign leaders?" as it is earlier in the thread by Rue.
Rather, it is MUCH more frequently done to illustrate comparative guilt, which is a concept I'm not sure I enjoy. If you'll forgive me some religious allegory, every sin should be judged on its own merits.
One does not get sent to judgment for gluttony, and then stand up and point to King Henry VIII and say, "His sins were much deeper, hence I should be forgiven!" This is behavior we ought not to encourage in our society.
(I must admit to making an exception based on personal, and not borrowed, experience. I can not stand judgment over someone who commits the same crimes that I do.)
If it were to be learned, for instance, that Reagan sodomized an intern, the defense should not be to point to Clinton. It should be to evaluate the action on its own merits and give a response. Clinton has little to do with the facts. This is not a 'let the multi-million member political party who is without sin cast the first stone' situation. No 3rd party sinners have anything to do with it.
It is a simple matter of, "Well, that's sorely disappointing, he should not have done that" or "Well, that's between him, his wife, and the intern. If they don't mind, I don't mind."
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Anthony, I really don't think Rue is interested in comparative guilt. At issue are the peeps who keep pecking one party to death, but give the other a free ride. Their relentless partisanship is morally bankrupt. AND, it's just plain stupid.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I really don't think Rue is interested in comparative guilt. At issue are the peeps who keep pecking one party to death, but give the other a free ride. Their relentless partisanship is morally bankrupt. AND, it's just plain stupid.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Tell me if this sounds familiar (think of the past 8 years).
Poster #1: Did you hear Bush is gonna do....
Poster #2: But Clinton did the same thing...
Poster #1: That is irrelevant, past is past, you cannot excuse Bush just because Clinton...
Now, in the above mentioned scenario, swap out Bush for Obama and Clinton for Bush. I don't understand the disconnect here. Why can we see the perceived faults in other's but not ourselves?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yup, should've given him a bust of Churchill! Now THAT would be a gift he'd appreciate! And we would have had an extra one just lying around, if only they hadn't sent it back... Oh crap - now I've given you something ELSE to whine about! "Why'd they give it back?! They could have re-gifted it!"
Why does he care anyway? What does Rapo care what the British think? Most of the time when I say something he disagrees with, he's quite vocal about his deep seated dislike for my country, our way of life, and the British people, and he's exceedingly vocal about where he thinks we can all put our opinions.
So why does he care about what we Brits think of this one single issue, I wonder?
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BDN-
I've criticized Clinton for a lot of things (Monica was not one of them). They tend to be the same things I criticized Bush and Obama for: money to the rich (NAFTA on Clinton's watch, tax cuts on Bush's, and the big dollar giveaway on Bush's AND Obama's) loss of industrial capacity (Clinton, Bush), failure to address the health care crisis (Clinton and Bush so far, too early to tell with Obama).
But Bush stepped in some big shit that Clinton avoided. The Kosovo war came to a successful resolution, but not Iraq and Afghanistan. Clinton balanced the budget, Bush broke it. Massive deregulation which made all of the financial institutions shaky and then packed them together like dominoes.
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"It almost looked to me like he overextended and stumbled a bit."
It looked to me like he leaned forward and lost his balance.
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AnthonyT,
I (and the 'liberal' media as well) never criticized Bush for any of these:
I personally DID criticize Bush ONCE for this
That was extremely public and extremely abnormal - it went way beyond a protocol mistake and into the range of the bizarre. (And I still think his slack-faced look makes him look like he is deeply drugged.)
So, no, I never made a big deal about Bush doing those kinds of things, nor do I think Obama doing anything like that is noteworthy, either.
I am keeping the same standard all around, unlike some people here. And all am I doing, as I mentioned earlier, is pointing out that some people have a severe case of hypocrisy.
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"Poster #1: Did you hear Bush is gonna do....
Poster #2: But Clinton did the same thing...
Poster #1: That is irrelevant, past is past, you cannot excuse Bush just because Clinton..."
Got any specifics ?
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Hello,
What is the providence of the kissy-face photo? I've not seen it before. I'm amazed that the hand-holding got more press coverage.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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