BSG : Finale

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:43 AM

Why has Lee Adama's hair suddently gone from jet black to blonde highlights?

What the frack did I just miss ?

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:08 AM

Obviously they ran into a stylist from the Golgafrincham ark "B".

Or, since this is the first time in the series he's been outdoors, this is the first shot at sun bleaching he's had.

Personally I'm more worried that

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they suggested Baltar might actually be god.

Shudder. Otherwise I guess I can live with this as the end of the series. I think they ducked a few of the philosophical issues but there were lots of explodey bits and Starbuck was almost entirely not emo. I love not emo Starbuck.

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

"Don't worry. Captain Hammer will save us." - Penny.

I has myspace - http://www.myspace.com/daveshayneforpresident

CYBERSNARK

Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:56 PM

Baltar is not a god (though he is busily building a Garden. . .).

The Angels seen at the end explicitly referred to God as someone else ("He doesn't like that name"). Which raises the question, which name does He prefer?

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DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Baltar is not a god (though he is busily building a Garden. . .).

The Angels seen at the end explicitly referred to God as someone else ("He doesn't like that name"). Which raises the question, which name does He prefer?

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Angel Six's reaction when angel Baltar said, "He doesn't like that name" suggested (to me at least but it was late and I was tired so I may have misinterpreted) that angel Baltar was referring to himself.

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

"Don't worry. Captain Hammer will save us." - Penny.

I has myspace - http://www.myspace.com/daveshayneforpresident

SUASOR

Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:41 PM

Nice finale, many good bits. But I hated the way they mangled the science. While it's true that Homo Sapiens Sapiens appeared 150,000 years ago, it's ikely that some of the colonist artifacts would have shown up by now. Also, religious fervor or not, it's unlikely all 35,000 of the colonials and cylons would have volunteered to go from a 20th century, to a stone age, lifestyle. Of course, they would have had to, in order not to create a lot more metal artifacts.

Moreover, they wouldn't have had many places to disperse, as 150,000 years ago, there was an ice age going on. OK, that was minor.

I can handle the use of religion, even angels and "Gods That Walk Among Us," but not going stone age after years of terror and privation while fleeing the cylons.

GWEK

Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:50 PM

I definitely agree. I understand what they were going for, but for a show that prides itself on "human" reactions, it was beyond silly that everyone bought into Lee's plan without protest.

Although the story of the episode was decent, I felt the writing/presentation was very disappointing. For a show that is usually intelligently-written, the finale was often ham-handed and weak.

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

The Angels seen at the end explicitly referred to God as someone else ("He doesn't like that name"). Which raises the question, which name does He prefer?

Jews are not allowed to say or write The Name, so they use G_d instead. The actual name is YHWH. So that seems to be a hint. Note cylons said GOD not gods. Only stupid humans said gods, when cussin.

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Starbuck as Jesus. Jesus frakkin christ!

If Starbusk is Jesus, some Christians would take that as Starbuck is God on Earth1/Earth2...

So BSG founded Earth2 and the black race 150,000 years ago. Or did BSG found the northern white race, if they never interbred with the "savages"?

Note that Jews in Israel segregate black Jews from Etheopia living in Israel, who are not even allowed in the same class rooms with white Euro jews. And of course the Arab Semites are forced to live in concentration camps under apartheid slavery. So the jews of BSG seemed to be racist in their scripts, as required by the jewish Babylonian religion.

BSG of course was extremely blasphemous to Christians. Don't know what the jews think about it, since its jews who acted and wrote it. Apollo is the name of "Satan The Destroyer", BTW, in Revelation 9:11.

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible, KJV with Forerunner Commentary

BSG = Satan's little helpers? So Apollo was a fallen angel, ie, Lucifer, an ancient astronot riding Chariots of the Gods? So Lucifer/Apollo decided "not to be in charge of evil this time", and live like a hermit...

So its BSG's fault Obama wants to send 400,000 new troops to Afghanistan (for Paki invasion), and is attacking Pakistan NUKES with cylon robots every day... More predictive programming from BSG psyops ("Terminator robots are your friends").
www.infowars.com/obama-considers-expanding-afghanistan-troop-level-to-
400000/

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It's so lame BSG humans destroyed all their technology and abandoned civilization. They probably all got eaten by wild animals and cannibals or starved to death, like the Jamestown Communist settlement in the New World. Only the cylons survived...

I forget, was Baltar a cylon or not? If not why did he have reincarnation with full past-life memory 150,000 years later? If cylon, was he using the regen tech?

The only real plus was the full-auto firearms sound effects, with just the right amount of bass. Though I doubt small arms would dent cylon armor.

TUJIAOZUO

Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:08 PM

I give it a B+

I really enjoyed it for the most part the first time around (I had problems with it but I was still in the 'wow, that was epic!' fangirl mode), however I felt it got a little on the ridiculous side once I watched it again.

Cavil's Deus Ex Machina death was for me the first letdown (I excuse Hera's running away during combat due to the fact that she was follow prophecy, wasn't telling anyone but the girl was just doing what she was programmed with). One of Cavil's huge drives was he wanted to be the opitomy of perfection, a deity pretty much, and he loathed the flesh sack he had been created in and felt it to be rudimetary and disgusting. He also didn't want to die. So for a skinjob driven to not only save his race, but also wanting to live forever and evolve into a greater being, him eating his gun sucked. Someone should have killed him in that moment where Balter was giving his God speech. It would have been errupt, what with Balter getting all sentimental and then *bang* Cavil drops to the floor, but I would have liked it that way.

I initially liked the idea of leaving all technology behind and scratching out a living amongst the natives. Then I watched it again and realized that it was a rediculous idea as the elements, predators, illnesses and everything else going on in primordial earth would make life hell for the survivors and the population would soon dwindle because people would be keeling off due to such things as infections that could easily be treated by antibiotics or lions mauling the shit out of a clan. Not wise at all. Someone on another board suggested Galactica having been landed as gently as possible on Earth 2.0 and then having her disassembled and used to create a new city. I would have liked that.

Tyrol is alone, and apparently my Irish forefather?

Ellen and Tight better reinvent how to make alcohol or they're screwed.

And Kara is....?

Lee is alone because everyone up and abandons him. Granted I didn't want him to hook up with Kara, but I would have taken them as an explorer team. Mapping out the new world and all that jazz. But no, she disappears becuase she is not of this world and he's there, without anyone. Sucks to be him.

Giaus the farmer, was ironic and a great way to wrap his journey up. I loved how he started talking about it and began to cry and Caprica soothed him.

I admit, I liked Luara's death, I thought it was beautiful and poigniant and I seriously teared up when Bill put his ring on her finger.

But the 150,000 yr jump took me out of the moment it should have ended on and gave me this unnecessary 'look! we're headed that way!' message hammered over my head that killed the moment for me with Asimo and the gang being the potential harbingers of death when we meet the Singularity. I get it Ron Moore, I do, but you ruined the ending of your show by telling me something every Scifi program warns about. And for being a show that's cutting edge and the forefront of scifi, it cheapened the ending to go where everyone else has gone before.

Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash

SINGATE

Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:14 PM

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I understand what they were going for, but for a show that prides itself on "human" reactions, it was beyond silly that everyone bought into Lee's plan without protest.

I believe the whole idea was they were tired; tired of being dependent on technology, tired of living on spaceships. Even the people who would protest have probably had enough. Now maybe they should have kept a few things but I'm guessing that would have lead to "well if we need _____ then we should also hang onto _____" and so on. Lee summed it up perfectly when speaking to his father.

There are a few things which did not sit well with me.

1. If Kara's plan was to disappear I think it would have been more meaningful if she had flown away with Sam.

2. The realization of the opera house sequence was great, up until Caprica and Baltar entered the CIC. Having the final five just standing there that way seemed very staged. I did not like that moment at all.

3. Why does anybody trust Boomer at this point? Of all the possible stupid things to do leaving her alone with a Simon who is focused on his experiment has to rank right up there.

Other than those picked nits I really can't complain. The episode didn't feel rushed, in fact it was quite well paced. I was rather surprised that the Cylon conflict was resolved less than halfway through the episode. Not everything was answered but I am satisfied.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

ASARIAN

Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:33 AM

I give it a B+, too. Much has already been said. And I agree with most, like how leaving behind all technology to go live off the sweat off your brow ain't exactly the most plausible scenario. But Gaius being God?? I'm confused. No wait, I think maybe they're confused! 'Course they never really spelled out what Gaius' continual visions were supposed to represent. Had he gone mental? Was it some kinda Cylon-2-Cylon communication? It was never really clear. But to steer the plot-finale towards the BDH's being major reigious figures, meh, that was pretty lame. First Kara pulled her bizarre, but neat ascension trick, as if she were Jesus herself (softly compounded by her speaking words to the effect of her work here on earth being completed); and then Gaius and Nr. 6 are allegedly God and one of His Angels? No. Can't. Too much of a stretch.

As for the rest of 'No more Mr. Nice Gaius,' of course there's no coming back from getting your own people nuked; but, far as I see it, he had been given an end to redeem himself. And he took that end. And you know... Well... He took it. And that's... I guess that's somethin'. At long last he didn't take the coward's way out with his groupies in 'Brown Sector,' but did the man thing. Good for him. Also, I was touched when he started crying there, for a moment. Whether it was just from the sheer panic of the moment, realizing they'd have to toil the land for survival, or whether in that one instance he felt connected to his old man, what with the farming and all, it was beautiful.

All-in-all, I thought it was a worthy ending to a worthy series. It had its flaws (a bad spell that started, say, halfway season 2, and only ended with the start of season 4). But they pulled themselves back up and delivered gripping, strong episodes, until the very end.

BSG, you will not be forgotten.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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