Laurasaurus Ingraham
POSTED BY: MalBadInLatin
UPDATED: Thursday, March 26, 2009 20:08
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And do we really need to go with the "W. wasn't elected in 2000 thing? As much as I respect you, Kwicko, I must disagree. Yes, the Supreme Court had to step in. As I remember it, the recount after recount after recount did practically nothing for Gore's overall tally. More votes were counted for each side. Gore wouldn't drop it and kept the country in limbo. SOMEONE had to step in and make a decision. Bush had the most votes (I think . . . possibly). Maybe not by a lot, but he did (I think . . . possibly ).
Actually, Rip, I'm *NOT* trying to get into that whole thing. And if you'll look up to my earlier post, you'll notice that nowhere in it did I say that "W. wasn't elected".
What I *SAID* was, that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people.
If you'd like substantiation for that allegation, go here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html
These are the numbers according to the U.S. Census Bureau. They clearly show that Al Gore won the POPULAR VOTE - hence my words "choice of the American people."
2000 was a rather anomalous election, in that the candidate who won the popular vote was not the candidate who won the electoral vote. When I say Bush was "selected", that's intended with more than just a little bit of tongue in cheek - mostly it's to annoy people like 'Rappy, because they love to think that Obama was "selected" rather than "elected". It's a much more accurate claim to make against Bush, though, since the Supreme Court did indeed select him as the winner.
Hold a grudge? Sure, I s'pose I do to some extent. I can disagree with the Supreme Court's decision, but as someone who holds the U.S. Constitution to be the supreme law of the land, I acknowledge their authority to make that decision, and am bound by honor to abide by it.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Quote:The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was the choice of the old guard, Country club GOP crowd, but not of the conservative wing. There's no disputing that. Romney was making good headway, until the Huckster released all his delegates and backed McCain, and that sealed the end for the Romney campaign. I don't know what personal ax Huckabee has to grind w/ Romney, but he basically put his personal views over the good of the party and the country in order to sabotage Romney's campaign. Not very Christian, if you ask me.
This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.
Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.
Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.
I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.
Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.
Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.
Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?
This is a lot more than what you were talking about but I'm just trying to make conversation I guess and tie it to my position that Ingraham must go far away for the good of the country.
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The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.
Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.
See, a lot of his money came from an industry that made it's profit by the torture and abuse of those our law considers subhuman and as such, offers virtually no protection or defense from mistreatment.
And his direct involvement with Mel Sembler and Robert Lichfield, two of the progenitors of this horror, was enough to drive in the stake and turn his own base upon him - cause say what you will about mormons otherwise, no one can deny they do love their kids, family is everything to them, and someone who profits by it's destruction is gonna get short shrift from that community.
So yeah, Huckabee picked up most of Romneys thunder when the ugly truth of where his money came from started making the rounds, and things went from there.
Romney, Torture, and Teens
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html
Once he took that money, there was nowhere far enough to run, nowhere deep enough to hide, that we wouldn't find and harry him for it.
Can you really blame us ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Mitt should have been named Mittiot if he knew "that teens were locked in outdoor dog cages, exercised to exhaustion, deprived of food and sleep, exposed to extreme temperatures without adequate clothing or water, severely beaten, emotionally brutalized, and sexually abused and humiliated. Some were even made to eat their own vomit"
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.
Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.
I've seen these "brat" camps in California and they don't do that kind of horrific stuff. The worst suffering drug offender minors endure is no cell phone, no make up, no video games, washing up in a cold river, foraging for firewood, and cooking camping food. The activities are the cliche' team building excercises. And they are mostly effective in the short run. And a smaller percentage in the long run. Parent's and contributors pay for it so there ain't no tax bucks going into it.
My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits? I don't disbelieve it but troubled teens aren't the most honest. That can be a generalization I know.
For Mittiot to know about these abuses would ruin his career. Why does he still have a career? Also...you're right this has nothing to do with being Mormon
We all now Mormons are all like these folks
http://www.hbo.com/biglove/
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Quote:The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever. And I'm an atheist.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.
This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.
As for Ingraham et al, they're perfectly fine. What I have to laugh at is the intolerance shown to anything remotely close to religous. Sure, Falwell, the TBN folks and many others are crackpots, but they're still part of our society. Which is why I also think Romeny was a fine choice for President. I don't give a flip about his religious views, as long as he can run the country in a proper and constitutionally sound manner. 60 days into B.O.'s term, and he's already having problems w/ that part.
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Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.
Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.
I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.
Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.
Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.
There have been attempts to de-emphasize Christmas and Christianity, though not all attempts are ill conceived. Some have merit, while others are over zealous swinging of the pendulum in the wrong direction.
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Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?
Rush, Ingraham Hannity, etc... aren't reporters, and should not be replaced by reporters. What needs to happen is that the MSM news scene needs to have a complete and total overhaul, and OBJECTIVE reporting make a come back into our society. Lose the Left wing bias, and there won't be a REASON for Right wing talk show host and FOX news.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever.
Until you posted that.
And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.
In which case he'd probably advocate the cold blooded murder of his children:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?
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Malbad,
We pick our targets carefully - one of the reasons I dislike zealotry as a matter of principle in this work is cause it leads folk to leap before they look and muddies the waters, something I'll touch on again in a moment here.
The horrors described are actually soft-shoeing it, at one point we obtained via subterfuge, a facilities own surveillence camera footage of the staff beating a child to death, a death which up till that point was blamed on a pre-existing medical condition.
Despite eight people being part of the beatdown, and it being on tape, they were still aquitted, this is all too common.
One of the most recent victims, Faith Finley, the death was ruled a homicide by the coroner, and the three workers who committed it were fired, that's it, merely fired - and WILL find employment elsewhere within this industry, also an all too common story.
We're not talking about hurt feelings here, the places we go after KILL some of these kids, kill em hard - what happened to Angie Arndt should never happen to a human being here in america no matter what age they are.
As for you "seeing" these camps - did you actually visit and investigate without calling ahead, or did you just view their own promo video and make assumptions ?
That's how Congressman George Miller got involved - he did a call-ahead inspection and was just a bit suspicious and so came back *without* calling ahead and got the shock of his jaded political life, which is how HR 911 made it to a vote in the house, and it's now currently in committee in the senate.
As for no tax bucks going into it, that also usually means no restriction or regulation, something not in and of itself an awful thing, but worth taking into careful consideration when investigating.
We *always* investigate before we drop the hammer, many of the original pictures and videos that exposed the abuses to begin with were shot by me personally, and I've seen horrors beyond even the imagination of most folk in this work, like what happened at High Impact - and for what, missing curfew a couple times ?
There's no way in hell that girl deserved what was done to her.
Frankly, most of the kids wind up in these places not necessarily cause of their own issues, but cause of their PARENTS issues - drinking, drugs, a morally bankrupt lifestyle, being abusive parents (often due to ignorance more than malice) and getting pissed off when their own child reflects that back at them, or all too often emulates their own behavior.
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My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits?
Honestly ?
Almost none - less than 3% of these claims have ever come to be bogus.
Sembler and Lichfield deliberately espouse the "all children are lying manipulators" concept in keeping with Synanon's initial method of discrediting those who fled the cult, but unfortunately the damage done by mass-marketing the concept that all children are manipulative liars is far more damaging on a social level than anyone realizes and feeds heavily into the adversarial nature of adult-child relations in our society.
If they know you will call them a liar, they're no incentive to bother telling you the truth, and that also feeds the perception, but the truth of it is that children are really bad at lying to you, they don't have the range of experience to make it believeable, and cannot maintain the internal consistency required to hold up a deception for any length of time.
Look at some childrens shows who project that moral by pointing our how one lie leads to another till it all comes crashing down, as an example.
Remember, until very recently this whole "all children are liars" thing was the armor plate protecting elements of the catholic church from being called on behavior most people *KNEW* was going on, and ponder for a little while the damage caused to those who were abused wh
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Quote:It's the other way around. Lee Atwater brought scortched earth politics back in style to elect Reagan. Both sides have one up'd each other until the "change" platform. Scortched Earth politics were seen and duplicated by Karl Rove. The Clinton campaign with Dick"head traitor" Morris, James Carville,and others got nasty too in response. But Rove/Bush 2000 and 2004 breathed angry outrage into Fox News, and bad attitudes into Conservapublineocontarians.
Originally posted by AURaptor: the MSM news scene needs to have a complete and total overhaul, and OBJECTIVE reporting make a come back into our society. Lose the Left wing bias, and there won't be a REASON for Right wing talk show host and FOX news.
The whole "change" Obama platform is supposed to be a rational non angry option for Liburuls.
So if Obama's presidency is a success, what will Liberals have to be mad about? Phony outrage will be something Conservapublineocontarians do in a vacuum.
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Re: Mormons and Family
(This bit is also for Rue, since she prolly has an interest)
As for Mormons - I was maybe a little more knowledgeable about em to begin with since I had a few allies in that camp, and when the FLDS matter blew up into just short of an all out war, learned a lot more about both them and their various factions than I really ever wanted to know...
Now that it's almost over I can comment just a little on that, once the children were returned, we aided a general housecleaning of the bad elements, but had not fully factored in just how much of the leadership was involved since we were initially dealing with just YFZ and not the FLDS as a whole - at some point most of them realized just how badly they'd been hung out to dry by their own leadership and privately assisted this, although due to what happened they're not going to give the Baptist elements within the state that started that shit any more ammo by admitting anything at all, and I do not blame them.
Now, they do *not* like me, and I do not like them, I am downright hostile to christian beliefs in general, and my own personal beliefs they're none too fond of the little they know about neither - and yet despite this we had a mutual focus at the time, and our grudging tolerence lead to mutual respect and something a little more from them which I was verymuch unconfortable with, as I am a *terrible* role model, ya might as well build statues of Jayne Cobb as that...
But given the end that it came to, I guess it was inevitable that highly religious folks would start laying divine provinence on something that was really just a lot of hard work, double-dealing and chicanery.
And so, as I have alluded to a time or two before, their spiritual leadership all but collapsed and left them bereft of anyone they could trust, especially when the focus widened to the FLDS as a whole and it became clear how deep the rot was...
And someone, who ain't never gonna admit it cause of the very high likelyhood I will wring their damn neck for it, spilled the fact that I was a Universalist Unitarian Lay Priest to these people.
(Can you just hear the painful groan of misery here? *whine*)
And thus I found myself in the unenviable, and also, sadly, unrefusable, position of being forced to minister to folks of a belief I personally do not much care for because they trusted no one else to do it.
About the only tack I COULD take with that was offering that their trials and troubles were His judgement against them follow allowing these decievers and predators to gain prominence as well as His hand guiding them to scourge them from their church as His son once scourged the moneylenders from the temple, to cast them out as an anethma and danger to the family in penance for their neglect in it's protection - a bitter medicine for the body of the faithful to cast off the taint of infection so that it can grow healthy and strong again... and so on, and so forth.
I confided in one of the more worldly members, that I felt very unconfortable with this since there was no way to seperate my own viewpoint on the matter from the guidance I was trying to offer, and they should "take away a grain of salt with it, to season it", only to get back something along the lines of "God uses what tools he must, even heathens like you."
Apparently I would have made a right good preacher, cause the younger folks really connected when I gave up on trying to quote all that horribly archaic and arcane stuff directly and started putting it into, err.. more modern aspect, cause it really does make more sense that way.
Anyhows, family is everything to Mormons, which made Romney's actions all the more horrifying to them when the truth of them became clear.
-F
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