European Browncoats?

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ZAMPANO

Monday, February 9, 2004 1:45 AM

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Originally posted by GweiLo:
Like I mentioned before, the easiest place to get to in Europe is probably London. So joking aside, I have to agree with the somewhere outside London plan.

I´ve seen both Angel and Buffy in German (and French for that matter, while we´re on the subject of dubs). If I lived in Germany I think I´d long to hear the original voices. Most German speaking movie buffs I know buy DVDs directly from the US in order to get around the dubbing.

Hi, GweiLo!

You're correct, as a movie buff from Germany I buy my DVDs directly in the US or from import-shops.
Not only is the original language on it (most german-made region-2 discs contain the original language as well, but mostly because of the superior quality the US-releases mostly are produced in, compared to German ones.

Farscape is broadcast with multi-channel audio with its original language included, on some Pay-TV staiton(SciFi Channel). I believe germany's TV is going to get better in that respect.

On the "Shindig"-topic, I want to add that the cologne-bonn Airport, near which I conveniently live, might be as easy to get to as Stanstedt(spelling?) via small-rate airlines.
However, London as a city is supercool, and I do not really care where it would be held, as I will be totally there, as work permits. :)

PATOLVER

Monday, February 9, 2004 10:45 AM

> First we would have to know who else would like
> to come to a shindig???
> So anyone else?

Yes, me!

And can I suggest a meet-up at the Fusion convention at the end of April in Blackpool, UK, which will be featuring Nathan, Gina, Jewel, Morena, and lots of Buffy and Angel people too.
(see http://www.seanharry.com/fusion/)

Pat

AJ

Monday, February 9, 2004 11:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by patolver:
> First we would have to know who else would like
> to come to a shindig???
> So anyone else?

Yes, me!

And can I suggest a meet-up at the Fusion convention at the end of April in Blackpool, UK, which will be featuring Nathan, Gina, Jewel, Morena, and lots of Buffy and Angel people too.
(see http://www.seanharry.com/fusion/)

Pat

That is almost TOO good an idea!

Haven't been to Blackpool in years - even then it was mostly Lytham St. Annes! (Might have to have a word with my better half about this - also a fan!)

STICKS

Monday, February 9, 2004 12:50 PM

This is the one and only "sticks" aka BRITISH BROWNCOAT #1, Im very interested in the fusion in blackpool but it all boils down to cash.Its good to know that more and more BRITISH and european firefly fans are joining up to this site and your all welcome so hello all.

AJ

Monday, February 9, 2004 1:10 PM

Been lurking for a while before joining, but we were fortunate enough to catch the real pilot on sci-fi (completely by accident). Only half watched that one, not knowing what we'd stumbled on, but from The Train Job onwards, we were hooked.

The "Firefly weekend" helped as well, of course!

GWEILO

Monday, February 9, 2004 1:52 PM

The Blackpool thing sounds really cool, if you´re into conventions. I´d go to it anyway just for the fun of a convention. Not entierly convinced it´s the ideal time for a FF shindig though. Imho, it should be two separate events. (Not that we can´t have our cake and eat it too. ;-) )

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, February 9, 2004 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
To those who think Americans don't like being called "yanks": actually, Southerners don't like being called yanks, it's too close to "yankee." But then, that's an individual's opinion. Heck, I'm not even sure where the word "yank" comes from. Can anyone enlighten me?

Sorry to crash the Euro thread...just had to put my two cents in.

Sorry to interrupt, but I try to help out where I can.

To answer your question SouthernMerc, the origins of "Yankee" have been debated for quite some time, and to this day the Oxford English Dictionary says the source of the word is "unascertained." Perhaps the most widely accepted explanation was given by H.L. Mencken, a well-known newsman-scholar, who argued that Yankee derives from the expression Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese." This supposedly was a derogatory nickname bestowed on the Dutch by the Germans and the Flemish in the 1600s.

The English later applied the term to Dutch pirates, and later still Dutch settlers in New York applied it to English settlers in Connecticut, who were known for their piratical trading practices. During the French and Indian War the British general James Wolfe took to referring derisively to the native New Englanders in his army as Yankees, and the term was widely popularized during the Revolutionary War by the song "Yankee Doodle." By the war's end, of course, the colonists had perversely adopted the term as their own. Southerners used Yankee pejoratively to describe Northerners during the Civil War. Of course it now seems to be a term the Brits and most of Europe use as a nickname for all Americans.

Again, sorry to have butted in. Carry on.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

IDEFIX

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GweiLo:
Ack! I’m rambling again, aren’t I? (I could go on about this subject forever. I’ll just go ahead and round it up now.)

if it makes you feel any better I'd ramble with you on that subject. I'm german by the way and I won't even want to know what they would do with our show if they ever dubb it and show it here. maybe SciFi would buy it and show it in english/chinese like it's meant to be. but that's the only station and no one in germany really has it because it's an add on channel in the very _not_ popular german pay tv system 'Premiere'. I actually got a minimum Premiere subscription just to subscribe to SciFi and they haven't shown all that much exciting stuff up to now (they do show Farscape which I love but I already have the brittish DVDs), but I feel like I have to support them anyway. it's the first step in the right direction that I've seen.

I really try to avoid tv shows on german tv. I download them and if I like them I buy the DVDs (american, brittish, german, whichever is cheapest or first). I do go to the cinema (also dubbed here) though, because they seem to get movies mostly right. they seem to spend much more money translating and finding suitable voices for movies. but tv shows are done so cheap they sound like someone reading the telephone directory when being really bored. and the end of it is that germans think american TV shows are stupid and boring. but it's really a 'problem' here with people not being able to understand english and not being willing to learn. that's something the french and the germans seem to have in common. I know that my mom will never be able to watch english tv because she just never learnd english at school and now she's almost 60. but I don't get younger people that just don't want to even try. I have lots of friends that never ever even once tried to watch something in english although they all learned english at school. it's just not 'normal' around here I guess.

we germans fight for our language even though I don't really know why. everyone wants to understand other peoples better yet when there's a new word around we have to find a german equivalent because simply using the english one would somehow rob us of our cultural identity or whatever. I'm really puzzled by that. maybe germans think everyone should learn german instead but that's just a stupid idea and trying to keep our own language by force is just building walls instead of bridges.

Idefix

PUDOR

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:50 PM

Wooo - another British Browncoat here :) From London or Oxford, depending on whether it's termtime or not.

Oh, and another possiblility, rather than London, for a Euro shindig, is Cambridge - right next to Stanstead airport, and slightly cheaper than London (although admittedly not *that* much). Although I could probably swing some floorspace either there or here in Oxford.

Like the idea a lot though :)

GWEILO

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:12 PM

Idefix: It does make me feel better not to be the only one rambling here, thank you! ;-)

At least you have the possibility to subscribe to the Sci-Fi channel. In Scandinavia that option was taken away a couple of years ago… right in the middle of an exciting season of Battlastar Gallactica too. (Grrr!) Apparently the channel does moderately well and is only “guaranteed” to go on in the UK and the Benelux countries.

Back on the subject of dubs, I more than sympathise with your frustration. I visited Germany two times last year. Once for an extended week-end in Berlin and later for a week in Hamburg. I had to search high and low for cinemas that didn’t dub… and these are BIG cities… can’t even imagine how hard it is in smaller places.
The problem with dubs is, as you hinted, that once you’ve started it’s hard to stop. There’s an older generation to take into account, as well as a big resistance to change in general. Simplistically I would have to say that you have to draw the line somewhere and stop the madness. It would be very hard for a while, to be sure, but in the long term everyone wins.

On a personal note I know for a fact that I wouldn’t speak half the languages that I do speak today, hadn’t it been for the fact that there were so many different languages in the TV shows I watched growing up. I’m simply not the kind of person who learns languages by sitting in a class room and I feel it’s fundamentally wrong to rob those people who want to learn of the same possibility.

Pudor: The London area in general seems to be a good idea… seeing how there’s so many different airports (not just Stansted obviously).
Floor space sounds very very good. (A gym perhaps, or what were you thinking?) You’re the first person in the general area of the intended shindig to sign in so that’s great!

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